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      • kepstin-laptop
        The case that I had there was a release with a known release date, label, catalogue number, cover art, and even sample audio from one of the tracks... just no tracklist published yet :)
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      • kepstin-laptop
        even has an amazon page.
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      • reosarevok
        Germans, does this seem correct? "Ellend du hast umbrangen mich"
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      • Leftmost
        I'm not German, but it doesn't seem correct.
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      • reosarevok is used to Naxos failing at German
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      • reosarevok
        Mineo?
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      • Leftmost
        It seems, in fact, utterly wrong.
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      • nikki
        o_O
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      • reosarevok
        Ok, step 2, any idea how to correct it?
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      • reosarevok
        (note it was composed in 1400 so it could be just weird)
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      • Leftmost
        I can't even figure out what it means.
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      • nikki guesses it means something like "misery, you killed me"
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      • nikki
        it could be right, I avoid all these old german titles 'cause they always look wrong :P
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      • kepstin-laptop ends up dropping his musicbrainz_db and reimporting from dumps as the easiest way around the replication failures he was seeing :/
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      • nikki
        oh
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      • Leftmost
        A lot of sources have "umfangen" or "umbfangen".
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      • nikki
        googling suggests it's umfangen
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      • kepstin-laptop
        well, at least that server's on a UPS now, so I won't get that problem again...
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      • Leftmost
        The b could be a legitimate archaic spelling.
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      • Leftmost
        So something like "Ellend, du hast umbfangen mich".
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      • Leftmost
        Which is better.
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      • reosarevok
        So
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      • reosarevok
        I'll leave the b
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      • reosarevok
        Use the other as alias
      • 2011-08-29 24117, 2011

      • reosarevok
        And someone can come fix it later
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      • kepstin-laptop was going to ask for opinions about edits like http://musicbrainz.org/edit/15104504 - but it seems like reosarevok has already expressed his opinion on it :)
      • 2011-08-29 24136, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Well
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      • reosarevok
        That I agree doesn't mean everyone does
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      • kepstin-laptop
        the thing it does is remove the recording from the complete list of performances of the original work... But that's a UI issue.
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      • kepstin-laptop
        it wouldn't be hard to make the work page also show performances of the "later versions" of that work, I'd think
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      • Mineo
        reosarevok: with old german titles everything could be correct :)
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      • kepstin-laptop
        hmm. I really should make an RFC to rename that Work→Work “Later Version” AR to “Derivative Version”
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      • kepstin-laptop
        something to do this evening, I guess :)
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      • reosarevok
        Some people didn't agree with that when I probed the list :/
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      • nikki
        kepstin-laptop: and the japanese capitalisation one? :P
      • 2011-08-29 24146, 2011

      • kepstin-laptop
        ... hmm. The japanese capitalization one probably needs a little work, I don't think I actually deal with the case of a Japanese artist releasing something with a tracklist that's entirely in english
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      • kepstin-laptop
        which happens a lot, and people regularly run 'guess case' over them, then other people regularly switch them back to the original case...
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      • kepstin-laptop
        the only specific wording I have deals with e.g. english words embedded in a title that's otherwise japanese.
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      • Mineo
        reosarevok: wich work were you looking at?
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      • reosarevok
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      • reosarevok
        (allmusic has umbfangen too)
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      • Mineo
        http://www.hs-augsburg.de/~harsch/odeion/Mspost15… suggests "Ellend, du hast umfangen mich"
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      • Mineo
        (as does the german national library)
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      • Mineo
        hmm, can we make the main page of the wiki immutable?:/
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      • reosarevok
        Guess we can
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      • reosarevok
        Did someone vandalise it?
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      • nikki
        I can "protect" it, if that's the right thing
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      • Mineo
        well, someone's trying to get his loan modification links in there
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      • Mineo
        (and into other pages, but the main page is... the main page :D )
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      • CallerNo6
        bot?
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      • kepstin-laptop
        huh, so it's getting past the aweome http auth requirement to edit the wikipages?
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      • kepstin-laptop
        :)
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      • nikki
        yeah, the http auth requirement is better at keeping real people out :P
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      • nikki
        btw I just uploaded this script I mentioned yesterday to show label logos :P http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/111682
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      • nikki shamelessly links it in the hope of getting people to add more links, since there are only 198 right now
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      • kepstin-laptop
        ah, not cool. extended power outage at my house in the middle of a database import... It probably doesn't have enough juice in the UPS to finish that, so it's gonna shut down in the middle...
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      • reosarevok
        :(
      • 2011-08-29 24142, 2011

      • reosarevok
        You clearly should have a crank-powered device to charge it
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      • kepstin-laptop
        I'm at work on the other side of town right now :)
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      • nikki
        he should clearly move to somewhere with more reliable power :P
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      • kepstin-laptop
        owell, I can just drop the db and restart the import later.
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      • Munger
        Does NGS work with Apache 2?
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      • nikki
        it doesn't need apache at all
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      • reosarevok
        Hmmm
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      • reosarevok
        So
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      • Munger
        IC. How would I go about setting up a local server then?
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      • Leftmost
        Isn't this the second or third power failure during a db import for you, kepstin?
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      • reosarevok
        What should I do if a release gives a composer for a (classical) piece, but it was later found out that he was not the real composer?
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      • Leftmost
        There are docs in the documentation on the site.
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      • kepstin-laptop
        Leftmost: the last time it was a hard power failure during a replication update :)
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      • Leftmost
        reosarevok, AC?
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      • Leftmost
        AC and an annotation note, maybe.
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      • reosarevok
        Leftmost, it feels a bit weird to credit something to John Bedingham as John Dunstable
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      • Leftmost
        Yeah. Might be a misuse as well. Not sure.
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      • kepstin-laptop
        reosarevok: in that case, I'd just say it was a mistake in the printing, and that we fixed it...
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      • kepstin-laptop
        and mention the wrong composer in the ac.
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      • reosarevok
        ac?
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      • reosarevok
        You mean annotation?
      • 2011-08-29 24107, 2011

      • kepstin-laptop
        er, yes
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      • CallerNo6 agrees fwiw
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      • reosarevok
        Ok
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      • kepstin-laptop
        wee, power's back at my house again
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      • kepstin-laptop
        turns out my usp is perfectly capable of keeping my little atom server running over a 1/2 hour power outage while it's busy importing a database...
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      • kepstin-laptop
        ups*
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      • CatCat
        uh, well if there is no label or format info i must have added it beofre we stored that stuff.. it's probably from the library, but i can't accses it now becasue it's closed for renovation after the bomb.. so no, i dont :(
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      • CatCat
        dude.. it was added in 2004
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      • reosarevok
        I know
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      • reosarevok
        But maybe you had it at home :)
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      • CatCat
        well when the library opens again i can try looking for it
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      • CatCat
        ah but all my musicvis packed in a box right now
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      • reosarevok
        (I asked because ehrgeiz wanted to use as part of a boxset, and I imagine if you added it as a standalone is because it is)
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      • CatCat
        [ should just be deleted
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      • CatCat
        nei
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      • CatCat
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      • kepstin-laptop
        lol
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      • CatCat
        i cant say.. i know that releases like boxsets were split up in the library.. but i don't know if that was one of those or actually a a stand alone release
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      • kepstin-laptop suggests renaming every track on that release to [unknown]...
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      • CatCat
        i am serious
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      • CatCat
        (well actually, once a remove edit is issued it often prompts people ot do soem searching to fix it)
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      • CatCat
        strangly enough
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      • CatCat
        worse case scenarion: i have ot cancel my edit
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      • CatCat
        wich isn't the worts
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      • CatCat
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      • CatCat
        have at it!
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      • CatCat doens't understadn wh "ad release" and "add medium" aqre sepereate edits,even for releases added pre-ngs
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      • CatCat
        it looks very strange and messy
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      • kepstin-laptop
        CatCat: pre-ngs, those would be "add release" and "add release event", wouldn't they?
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      • nikki
        add release event was only separate when done separately
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      • CatCat
        http://musicbrainz.org/release/5d69e75c-34dd-4e49… its done here. it's sepperate "add release" and "add medium"
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      • kepstin-laptop
        pre-ngs didn't have mediums, tho
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      • CatCat
        i know. so it's afake aedit?
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      • kepstin-laptop
        I dunno if it's fake, it might just not be a very good edit
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      • kepstin-laptop
        looks like a regular post-ngs add release/medium edit to me...
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      • reosarevok
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      • reosarevok would say add the DVD, sure, but doesn't know if the recordings should be the same
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      • reosarevok
        (last post there)
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      • kepstin-laptop responds to it with his opinion :)
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      • kepstin-laptop
        I see a lot of japanese single releases which include a bonus dvd with the PV for the single :/
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      • kepstin-laptop
        which is similar in some ways.
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      • nikki
        I've been leaving the recordings separate
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      • nikki
        if nothing else, it means I can create a list of pv versions :P
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      • kepstin-laptop
        heh
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      • kepstin-laptop
        yeah
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      • kepstin-laptop
        Huh. I have honestly no idea what I made this picture for: http://www.kepstin.ca/dump/workrel.png
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      • nikki
        (and it's not like it's that difficult to tag videos with picard)
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      • nikki
        covers?
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      • kepstin-laptop
        picard refuses to recognize mkv files right now :/
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      • kepstin-laptop
        nikki: hmm. it might have been a demonstration of some of the weirdness that happened during the NGS conversion of covers.
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      • nikki recommends opening a ticket for mkv files then