#musicbrainz

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      • reosarevok opens that
      • CatCat
        i am fixing a lot of stuff, so i am delegating >)
      • v6lur: ?
      • reosarevok gets no sound :/
      • kepstin
        huh, there's a couple of versions of that song where it's covered by real people
      • CatCat keeps forgettign that has to edit it again for the tracktlist too :// http://musicbrainz.org/recording/5c407d7d-46ca-4da9-8c6b-9f16abd35602
      • lol. in one of the cover versions, they insert a rap vocals section and the lyrics from another song (which oddly enough, fit perfectly)
      • CatCat
        man there should be a "guess splitted artist" type thing.. like there was for feat before
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      • kepstin
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfFfMN8PgOY - lol. they just go and sing the lyrics to that song over the music from a completely different song.
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      • how would that be represented in musicbrainz work linking? :)
      • nikki
        badly
      • reosarevok
        Really badly
      • reosarevok has that issue pretty often
      • kepstin
        ah, there we go. I finally found a version of the unmodified original song sung by a good real human singer who has a decent-quality recording setup :)
      • v6lur
        CatCat: i mean how is "For Norge, Kjæmpers Fødeland" / "For Norge, Kiempers Fødeland" / "Norges Skaal" capitalized today? the same way?
      • reosarevok
      • Please add there any Spanish thing you want me to look at
      • (same for anyone else)
      • kepstin
        hmm. There's no generic URL relationship to link to someone's nicovideo 'mylist'
      • the youtube relationship should probably be generalized :/
      • reosarevok
        Yeah
      • reosarevok has several cases of Vimeo stuff
      • kepstin settles for 'has an online community page'
      • reosarevok settles for "kepstin, please send an RFC"
      • 8)
      • kepstin
        hmm. come to think of it, my last RFV passed.
      • nikki, feel like helping me set up those new ARs and wiki pages?
      • nikki
        ok
      • nikki has been procrastinating :/
      • reosarevok
        No way
      • nikki never does that
      • :D
      • reosarevok goes out
      • nikki
        oh, the sarcasm
      • nikki gets a mop
      • kepstin
        hmm. if a song was only released on a video streaming site like nicovideo or youtube, does it make sense to add a link to the original video with the 'can be streamed for free at' releationship?
      • nikki
        well, the relationship isn't supposed to be used for videos
      • but whether that makes sense or not is another question
      • kepstin
        Well, the song wasn't officially released separate from the video :/
      • although there are sites like http://nicosound.anyap.info/sound/sm11602151 that extract the audio and stream audio-only...
      • nikki
        kepstin: they're added
      • kepstin
        the relationships? I guess I'd better work on the wiki pages, then :)
      • nikki
        yes :)
      • kepstin
        Hmm. the official homepage one is just a modification of an existing page.
      • for the discography entry, does it make sense to somehow move my proposal page, or create a new page?
      • nikki
        I can move it
      • kepstin
        nikki: let me know when you've done that, I've gone and updated the official homepage wiki page already.
      • nikki
        done
      • kepstin goes and adds the links to the examples used on the pages :)
      • nikki goes looking for food
      • kepstin
        thanks, nikki
      • nikki
        no problem
      • kepstin
        hmm. if a new, general, 'has an online video channel at' (tentative wording) relationship is added, would it replace the youtube relationship, or become the parent of the youtube relationship?
      • The display of the microblog relationship on the site looks like it can still detect the twitter urls and use specific link styles for them even with the generic AR, so it would probably be best to merge them together somehow.
      • user`
        i know this isnt mb related at all but does anyone know if wmp stores ratings in its own database or in the id3 tags for files
      • kepstin
        user`: as I understand it, it stores them in the files.
      • not entirely sure how, tho.
      • user`
        know of a basic tool that'll let me read the tags of a file, that isnt a full blown player like foobar or winamp?
      • so i could double check
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      • kepstin
        musicbrainz picard? If you right-click on a file while it's in the left and click details, it should show the existing metadata in the file.
      • I'm not sure if it'll show ratings, tho...
      • user`
        guess ill find out
      • wont be surprised if they dont use the standard ratings field
      • kepstin
        hmm. apparently it's optional, you have to click a checkbox in the options dialog, library tab.
      • user`
        yep
      • and the ratings show in the explorer view, and date modified updates as well, so thats good
      • would not be fun to lose my song ratings if i ever change players or reformat :(
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      • CatCat
        v6lur: erh, i am not aware that norway *used to* have a different capsing rules. that sentence would be "For Norge, kjæmpers fødeland" / "For Norge, kiempers fødeland" / "Norges skaal" i think?
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      • user`
        What's this Picard error about? on some files, there's a red icon after i try to save. status bar says Permission denied: u'C:\\path\\folder.jpg'
      • kepstin
        user`: by default when moving files, picard tries to keep the cover art pictures with them. But for some reason, the permissions on your folder.jpg image in that directory won't allow picard to move the file.
      • user`
        i have 'move additional files' unchecked
      • kepstin
        huh. I don't know why it's complaining, then :/
      • user`
        :(
      • kepstin uses linux...
      • maybe WMP is messing it up
      • because it looks like that file is hidden and protected as a system file... why would a folder.jpg be a system file o.O
      • kepstin
        the Folder.jpg images are usually kept hidden, because windows explorer uses them in place of the folder icon if a folder contains one
      • user`
        hidden is good, but system? what idiot at microsoft decided on that
      • pretty sure a folder.jpg is not an essential file where it being deleted can really mess things up
      • kepstin
        hmm. this is kind of funny, i'm watching videos sung by a person using the name 'ENE' on nicovideo.jp; and their keyword advertisements decide to always include advertisements for sanyo "eneloop" batteries on her pages.
      • to the point where it's practically become a nickname for her.
      • Mineo
        she could try getting some money from sanyo for that :p
      • kepstin
      • user`
        hah
      • kepstin
        It's kind of annoying that you can't see any of the content on nicovideo.jp pages without a user account :/
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      • user`
        bah, i dont really mind WMP at all... don't want to nerd out on foobar... but ugh, it's filling my folders with its own coverart and theres no way to stop it
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      • Mineo
        it only does what's best for you. really. ;)
      • user`
        not when it causes picard to error when i try to retag my music folder :(
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      • v6lur
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      • zexpe
        Would I be wrong to vote against this new DJ mix release because the editor assigned the existing (original) recordings instead of creating new recordings? http://musicbrainz.org/edit/14987880
      • reosarevok would vote no
      • It's probably easier to create the new recordings when creating the release entry, rather than fixing it after the release was added this way
      • kepstin
        zexpe: not really. it's actually pretty easy to change.
      • can be done in one edit.
      • zexpe
        From the "Edit Medium" option - just change the recordings to new ones, and they are reassigned?
      • kepstin
        well, in the release editor, on the 'recordings' tab.
      • zexpe
        Yea, that's what I meant, thanks
      • I guess the only concern then is if someone adds an ISRC or PUID for the DJ mix and it then gets assigned to the original recording, which is wrong
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      • JJ312
        do you guys know turntable.fm
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      • CatCat
        ther are ways to make WMP NOt mess up your files
      • you have to tell it not to "update files etc" in settings
      • user`:
      • reosarevok just lost a Ticket to Ride game because of forgetting one two train connection
      • reosarevok feels silly
      • kepstin
        hmm. I need to edit my picard settings so non-album tracks don't get track numbers
      • user`
        i did all that
      • kepstin
        it's kind of funny having them all with '00' at the start of their filenames
      • user`
        but it still downloads the coverart
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      • kepstin
        it would be nice if there was some sort of lightweight-release for standalone recordings, so you could at least include a release date :/
      • hmm. or maybe we should have a date field on recordings, which would correspond to the earliest release date of that recording, if known.
      • nikki
        there's a ticket for that :P
      • kepstin spent most of his afternoon downloading songs from nicovideo and adding standalone recordings for them :)
      • kepstin
        it's kind of weird how many people there are doing covers of vocaloid songs.
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      • CatCat
        [23:05] kepstinhmm. or maybe we should have a date field on recordings, which would correspond to the earliest release date of that recording, if known.
      • HERPADERP
      • reosarevok is cool
      • natta guys
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      • kepstin
        hmm. I kind of want an artistcomment tag available in picard, but I'm not really sure how that would work with artist credits
      • it's useful in the case of single-artist credits when you have two artists with the same name...
      • nikki
      • kepstin
        well, since the comments are used for disambiguation, they presumably won't be needed in most cases when a multiple-artist artist credit is used
      • nikki thinks she could probably replace herself with a script that outputs jira links relevant to the topic and nobody would notice
      • in the unlikely case of two temporary collaborations between artists of the same name...
      • :)
      • what, you mean you're not?
      • nikki
        :D