Shepard leaves the field empty most of the time because it's really hard to figure out for progressive rock sometimes and without any guideline whatsoever...
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reosarevok
AFAIK, there's none for non-classical
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reosarevok
(work type, not guide)
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reosarevok
except "song" if you count that
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CallerNo6
Shepard, I've tried to move the model in a different direction, where we'll use "form" to describe what we now call "type".
2011-10-19 29228, 2011
Shepard
reosarevok: there's song cycle as well. but some bands use words like "suite" - would that still be a song cycle?
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CallerNo6
... and I'd looked at wikipedia's page on Musical Forms. But I hadn't given any thought to prog. And I was just about to suggest "suite".
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Shepard
for example I just created this: http://musicbrainz.org/work/c0a88927-d80e-4b61-90… - which links together several songs from different albums which are all supposed to be part of one big suite. for now I typed it as song cycle anyway...
2011-10-19 29243, 2011
CallerNo6
BF had also been working on a list. But IIRC pete marsh tried to do "forms" at the BBC and found it unworkable and subjective.
Are you more interested in describing the hierarchical nature ("superwork" or whatever)? Or the form?
2011-10-19 29235, 2011
CallerNo6
hm.
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Shepard
hm.. I don't know anything about all these forms so mainly I want a guideline how to use this field. :-)
2011-10-19 29208, 2011
Shepard
otherwise mainly the hierarchical structure I guess. although I'm quite happy with the part of relationship we have now
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CallerNo6
I think the "type" field was partly-populated just for testing purposes, and was never really meant to be used in its current state. Just a guess.
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Shepard
and I wonder how much of the classical classification would apply to prog since it's partly inspired by classical music
2011-10-19 29233, 2011
Shepard
hm, I see medley in that forms list :)
2011-10-19 29220, 2011
CallerNo6
"song cycle" seems promising for, say, 2112. But wikipedia includes this: "designed to be performed in a sequence as a single entity". Which wouldn't describe, say, Lark's Tongue in Aspic
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CallerNo6
I'll try to find the thread, but I think I remember Pete Marsh saying that he found "forms" difficult in the same way that "genre" is.
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CallerNo6
On the other hand, reosarevok's sermon on the train tells us to embrace subjectivity.
2011-10-19 29209, 2011
Mineo
is "sermon on the train" a work type, form or something else?:P
I should add links from the "work issues" page to the relevant discussions.
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hawke_ dreams of the day when performer ARs can be copied from one recording to another, edited, and then finally submitted, as one step.
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reosarevok wants that
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reosarevok
(also, a Festo AirPenguin)
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hawke_
lol
2011-10-19 29236, 2011
hawke_
I'd rather have the former.
2011-10-19 29236, 2011
Shepard
I dream of a simple editor for credits, no matter if they go to the release, the release group, the recording or the work
2011-10-19 29226, 2011
Shepard
'cause frankly, as a editor I don't care, I only want to type them down and tell it if something's release-level or track-level
2011-10-19 29231, 2011
Shepard
*an editor
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hawke_
Hey, anyone know what band had the most lineup changes? I seem to remember someone figuring it out from MB data, and it's a group I'd never heard of but I can't think of it now
2011-10-19 29209, 2011
hawke_
Ah, it was Pigface.
2011-10-19 29221, 2011
hawke_
Too bad there's no date information on the members
hawke: Next step, write a GreaseMonkey script that inserts a graph into each artist's rel page. :P
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hawke_
jacobbrett: Yeah, no kidding
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hawke_
I don't think greasemonkey can load stuff into flash though.
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hawke_
It'd have to ... what, generate the xml from the relations, load it into plotweaver, tell it to untangle, and then dump a png to be displayed in the page?
2011-10-19 29252, 2011
hawke_
probably a bit beyond greasemonkey, and a bit beyond me as well
2011-10-19 29252, 2011
jacobbrett
Ah, just assumed it'd be something simpler...an API that spits out a canvas or png
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hawke_
That'd be nice. It's mostly a proof-of-concept though, I think
