18:13 PM
reosarevok
Aaaand, that's why we need a MusicBrainz player!
2011-07-19 20044, 2011
18:13 PM
luks
or just a little smarter player that doesn't use assume "album title" == "album"
2011-07-19 20035, 2011
18:14 PM
kepstin-laptop
rhythmbox supports the 'albumsort' tag, so I use musicbrainz tagger script to stick the release date and some other info in there for disambiguation.
2011-07-19 20040, 2011
18:19 PM
nikki
bitmap: I wonder if those problems that popped up are the same as what some people kept reporting (with picard just stopping loading stuff)
2011-07-19 20041, 2011
18:20 PM
bitmap
nikki: yeah, I'm wondering that. it's possible those issues still could've surfaced from time to time even with the timers in place
2011-07-19 20016, 2011
18:21 PM
bitmap
I'm gonna try to investigate that more today :)
2011-07-19 20017, 2011
18:21 PM
hawke_
Is there any guideline for how to do a collaboration when there is just a list of artists separated by line break rather than "&" or something?
2011-07-19 20052, 2011
18:21 PM
kepstin-laptop
hawke_: in that case, just use the default joiners.
2011-07-19 20027, 2011
18:22 PM
hawke_
kepstin-laptop: I’m inclined to use / actually, especially in cases where one of the artists is “Foo & Bar”
2011-07-19 20041, 2011
18:22 PM
hawke_
But I was just wondering if there was an official guidelines.
2011-07-19 20045, 2011
18:22 PM
nikki
that would have been my other suggestion
2011-07-19 20051, 2011
18:22 PM
nikki
not that I know of
2011-07-19 20054, 2011
18:22 PM
hawke_
k
2011-07-19 20027, 2011
18:32 PM
reosarevok
How would you credit a choral with a Biblical text?
2011-07-19 20034, 2011
18:32 PM
reosarevok
"lyricist: [anon]"?
2011-07-19 20046, 2011
18:32 PM
reosarevok
"lyricist: St. Luke"?
2011-07-19 20046, 2011
18:33 PM
derwin
[jebus]
2011-07-19 20005, 2011
18:34 PM
gioele joined the channel
2011-07-19 20007, 2011
18:34 PM
nikki
god :P
2011-07-19 20010, 2011
18:34 PM
luks
and an AR "St. Luke" was inspired by "God"
2011-07-19 20015, 2011
18:34 PM
nikki
haha
2011-07-19 20047, 2011
18:34 PM
luks
I think used to have God in the DB, didn't we?
2011-07-19 20050, 2011
18:34 PM
nikki
and god would clearly need a comment to distinguish it from all the non-christian gods out there
2011-07-19 20058, 2011
18:34 PM
reosarevok
You blasphemers and heretics, give me a serious answer! :p
2011-07-19 20028, 2011
18:35 PM
nikki
:P
2011-07-19 20025, 2011
18:37 PM
hawke_
reosarevok: anon or unknown…
2011-07-19 20034, 2011
18:41 PM
reosarevok
Meh
2011-07-19 20047, 2011
18:41 PM
reosarevok
I'd use [biblical text] as a credit for [unknown]
2011-07-19 20053, 2011
18:41 PM
reosarevok
But we don't have them for rels :(
2011-07-19 20030, 2011
18:42 PM
nikki
[biblical text] is what it is, not who wrote it :P
2011-07-19 20039, 2011
18:42 PM
reosarevok
:p
2011-07-19 20056, 2011
18:42 PM
reosarevok
Ok, I could use "St. Luke (yeah, sure)" as a credit for [unknown]
2011-07-19 20057, 2011
18:42 PM
reosarevok
:p
2011-07-19 20015, 2011
18:45 PM
_5moufl has left the channel
2011-07-19 20015, 2011
18:45 PM
tungolcraft
you could credit the translator
2011-07-19 20052, 2011
18:45 PM
reosarevok
tungolcraft: I don't know the translation either
2011-07-19 20001, 2011
18:46 PM
reosarevok
(I don't have the lyrics, just the versicle indication)
2011-07-19 20024, 2011
18:46 PM
Wizzcat
2011-07-19 20001, 2011
18:47 PM
reosarevok
Wizzcat: there's something weird with the artist credit
2011-07-19 20030, 2011
18:49 PM
Wizzcat
true, is the edit crediting the same group twice?
2011-07-19 20050, 2011
18:51 PM
reosarevok
No idea
2011-07-19 20056, 2011
18:51 PM
reosarevok
bitmap: ping
2011-07-19 20003, 2011
18:52 PM
Wizzcat
oh well, I'll just file it
2011-07-19 20007, 2011
18:52 PM
bitmap
yes
2011-07-19 20032, 2011
18:53 PM
reosarevok
bitmap: isn't the "relate several recordings to a work at the same time" script in userscripts?
2011-07-19 20014, 2011
18:54 PM
bitmap
2011-07-19 20029, 2011
18:54 PM
reosarevok
Yeah, I meant that
2011-07-19 20039, 2011
18:54 PM
bitmap
do you need it? :)
2011-07-19 20043, 2011
18:54 PM
reosarevok wanted the last version
2011-07-19 20049, 2011
18:54 PM
bitmap
okay
2011-07-19 20055, 2011
18:54 PM
reosarevok
(there was a new version with attributes, wasn't there?)
2011-07-19 20005, 2011
18:55 PM
bitmap
yeah
2011-07-19 20047, 2011
18:55 PM
reosarevok
Could you do the same for works?
2011-07-19 20059, 2011
18:55 PM
reosarevok
Only relating them to another work, using the "part of" attribute
2011-07-19 20007, 2011
18:56 PM
reosarevok
*"has part" rel
2011-07-19 20016, 2011
18:56 PM
derwin
is there a "remixed by" script ?
2011-07-19 20004, 2011
18:57 PM
bitmap
2011-07-19 20014, 2011
18:57 PM
reosarevok
Why not upload it with the rest?
2011-07-19 20041, 2011
18:57 PM
reosarevok imagines it would be simpler
2011-07-19 20016, 2011
18:58 PM
bitmap
I dunno, maybe I don't trust people enough with making batch edits :P
2011-07-19 20000, 2011
18:59 PM
reosarevok
Hmm, isn't it only an autoedit for autoeditors?
2011-07-19 20030, 2011
18:59 PM
bitmap
yes, but still
2011-07-19 20014, 2011
19:00 PM
bitmap
reosarevok: it's possible to make a similar script for works, but it hasn't been done yet
2011-07-19 20028, 2011
19:00 PM
reosarevok
I know
2011-07-19 20034, 2011
19:00 PM
reosarevok
That's why I asked for it :)
2011-07-19 20056, 2011
19:00 PM
reosarevok has linked several "24 etudes" pieces to the main work and wants to die
2011-07-19 20029, 2011
19:02 PM
bitmap
maybe I'll write one later
2011-07-19 20041, 2011
19:02 PM
reosarevok
:)
2011-07-19 20055, 2011
19:02 PM
nikki
grr
2011-07-19 20056, 2011
19:02 PM
reosarevok waits until tomorrow to keep editing classical
2011-07-19 20003, 2011
19:03 PM
reosarevok
nikki: who did what now?
2011-07-19 20021, 2011
19:03 PM
nikki
smilies on jira :/
2011-07-19 20036, 2011
19:03 PM
reosarevok
Doesn't sound that terrible
2011-07-19 20041, 2011
19:04 PM
nikki
they didn't used to be there :(
2011-07-19 20051, 2011
19:04 PM
nikki just backspaced the one she was going to enter
2011-07-19 20031, 2011
19:05 PM
bitmap
what, it converts them to graphics now?
2011-07-19 20034, 2011
19:05 PM
nikki
yes
2011-07-19 20040, 2011
19:05 PM
nikki
big obnoxious yellow ones :P
2011-07-19 20041, 2011
19:05 PM
bitmap
ew
2011-07-19 20026, 2011
19:09 PM
bitmap
very big, they're twice the regular line height for me o_O
2011-07-19 20043, 2011
19:09 PM
nikki
yeah, same
2011-07-19 20047, 2011
19:09 PM
nikki
and my fonts are huuuge
2011-07-19 20013, 2011
19:10 PM
nikki
(well, ok, not that big, but I still have a minimum font size of like 13 whateverunits)
2011-07-19 20055, 2011
19:11 PM
kepstin-laptop could imagine that with the new NGS artist credits, it could make sense to have a 'Show releases by this artist only' on the artist page :/
2011-07-19 20034, 2011
19:13 PM
kepstin-laptop
2011-07-19 20029, 2011
19:17 PM
luks
I should really upgrade this laptop :(
2011-07-19 20023, 2011
19:20 PM
kepstin-laptop
huh. the 'update artist credits on this release' thing doesn't appear to work properly when you change the number of artists in the artist credit.
2011-07-19 20004, 2011
19:22 PM
kepstin-laptop goes back and forth between release editor tabs, poking at it, until it does the right thing.
2011-07-19 20032, 2011
19:28 PM
reosarevok
How does it fail?
2011-07-19 20026, 2011
19:29 PM
kepstin-laptop
reosarevok: I went from a 4-artist to 5-artist artist credit. in the preview at the end, the change to the release artists was missing the last artist. The track updates were all correct.
2011-07-19 20040, 2011
19:29 PM
kepstin-laptop
it's possible to go back to the first page and relink the artists to get it to work :/.
2011-07-19 20001, 2011
19:30 PM
reosarevok
Oh
2011-07-19 20004, 2011
19:30 PM
reosarevok
Yep
2011-07-19 20006, 2011
19:30 PM
reosarevok
I've seen that
2011-07-19 20046, 2011
19:30 PM
reosarevok
Also the one where split albums show 2 artist credits for all tracks, the second being an empty line
2011-07-19 20004, 2011
19:31 PM
kepstin-laptop
2011-07-19 20005, 2011
19:31 PM
reosarevok
(2 or more, depending on the amount of release artists)
2011-07-19 20022, 2011
19:31 PM
kepstin-laptop
that was tricky to work around the... quirks... or the release editor.
2011-07-19 20049, 2011
19:32 PM
kepstin-laptop
by the time I'm done, most of the tracks on that release will have artist credits linking to 8 artists :/
2011-07-19 20004, 2011
19:44 PM
bitmap
this file loading issue in Picard is making very little sense :/ it's definitely a bug in the threading code, but very hard to narrow down
2011-07-19 20004, 2011
19:47 PM
hawke_
Blah, why does a “Add Various Artists” edit feel the need to fill in “Various Artists” on every track credit?
2011-07-19 20055, 2011
19:48 PM
ianmcorvidae
you mean that isn't what you wanted? ;
2011-07-19 20056, 2011
19:48 PM
ianmcorvidae
)
2011-07-19 20049, 2011
19:49 PM
kepstin-laptop
yeah, it would be rather better if it left them blank and wouldn't allow you to submit until you put something in :/
2011-07-19 20058, 2011
19:49 PM
hawke_
Furthermore, why does it force it to that artist and make it an Artist Credit instead of adding it as a new entity if I fill in a new artist there?
2011-07-19 20003, 2011
19:50 PM
hawke_ murders the release editor.
2011-07-19 20028, 2011
19:50 PM
ianmcorvidae
the release editor has too much magic and too little functionality
2011-07-19 20034, 2011
19:50 PM
ianmcorvidae
has been my opinion all along :P
2011-07-19 20037, 2011
19:50 PM
kepstin-laptop
hawke_: that sounds like a bug... and since nobody's subscribed to 'various artists' there's probably a bunch of those sneaking in :/
2011-07-19 20001, 2011
19:51 PM
hawke_ heads to JIRA
2011-07-19 20002, 2011
19:51 PM
ianmcorvidae
well, nikki ended up subscribed to various artists at one point, but :P
2011-07-19 20022, 2011
19:51 PM
hawke_
2011-07-19 20034, 2011
19:51 PM
kepstin-laptop suspects that if http://tickets.musicbrainz.org/browse/MBS-809 is fixed, the world would be much happier
2011-07-19 20054, 2011
19:51 PM
ianmcorvidae
heh
2011-07-19 20031, 2011
19:54 PM
ianmcorvidae ponders writing an edit API, getting it shipped, and then writing a completely different interface :P
2011-07-19 20033, 2011
19:54 PM
reosarevok
kepstin-laptop: the only way of fixing that would be killing the release editor
2011-07-19 20035, 2011
19:54 PM
reosarevok
oh, wait
2011-07-19 20039, 2011
19:54 PM
kepstin-laptop
reosarevok: sounds good.
2011-07-19 20041, 2011
19:54 PM
reosarevok
now I see
2011-07-19 20044, 2011
19:54 PM
kepstin-laptop
when can you start?
2011-07-19 20047, 2011
19:54 PM
ianmcorvidae
+1 from me :P
2011-07-19 20010, 2011
19:56 PM
reosarevok
ianmcorvidae: we need a classical interface
2011-07-19 20013, 2011
19:56 PM
reosarevok
So please do
2011-07-19 20016, 2011
19:56 PM
ianmcorvidae
haha
2011-07-19 20018, 2011
19:56 PM
reosarevok
And then write that one too
2011-07-19 20051, 2011
19:56 PM
ianmcorvidae
of course the problem is the whole edit system really needs to be redone so any edit API would become obsolete as soon as that happened :/
2011-07-19 20018, 2011
19:57 PM
hawke_
reosarevok: A “classical interface”?
2011-07-19 20033, 2011
19:57 PM
reosarevok
hawke_: yeah
2011-07-19 20035, 2011
19:57 PM
ianmcorvidae
one that doesn't make editing classical things tedious and annoying
2011-07-19 20039, 2011
19:57 PM
reosarevok
That
2011-07-19 20057, 2011
19:57 PM
reosarevok
(it could be read as "an interface like classic MB"… which could work too :P )
2011-07-19 20011, 2011
19:58 PM
reosarevok
But I meant what ian said
2011-07-19 20024, 2011
19:58 PM
ianmcorvidae
y'know, manually making a work for every single recording, doing all the relations, fixing all the automatic artist credits, etc.
2011-07-19 20043, 2011
19:59 PM
kepstin-laptop notes that most of the things added for a 'classical MB editor' would be just as useful for non-classical stuff :/
2011-07-19 20051, 2011
19:59 PM
ianmcorvidae
this is true
2011-07-19 20003, 2011
20:00 PM
derwin
I just want to be able to add url relationships at creation time
2011-07-19 20009, 2011
20:00 PM
derwin
instead of clicking all around :/
2011-07-19 20016, 2011
20:00 PM
ianmcorvidae
yeah, that would also be a good improvement
2011-07-19 20031, 2011
20:00 PM
ianmcorvidae
amusing that we're talking about lots of things to _add_ to the release editor just as we talk about hating the release editor :P
2011-07-19 20040, 2011
20:01 PM
hawke_
I think everything that would be useful in a “classical interface” would be just as nice in a standard interface
2011-07-19 20053, 2011
20:01 PM
hawke_
Oh wait, kepstin-laptop already said that
2011-07-19 20057, 2011
20:01 PM
ianmcorvidae
hehe
2011-07-19 20058, 2011
20:01 PM
hawke_
almost word for word
2011-07-19 20020, 2011
20:02 PM
reosarevok
hawke_: I doubt most people would need a "create parent work for all these parts" thingy
2011-07-19 20036, 2011
20:02 PM
reosarevok
Or an "order by Op. #" thingy
2011-07-19 20038, 2011
20:02 PM
hawke_
reosarevok: Yeah, but creating works for things is already plenty tedius and annoying
2011-07-19 20045, 2011
20:02 PM
hawke_
*tedious
2011-07-19 20021, 2011
20:03 PM
hawke_
parent works are dead simple in comparison
2011-07-19 20049, 2011
20:03 PM
reosarevok
hawke_: bitmap's script S2
2011-07-19 20052, 2011
20:03 PM
hawke_
I’d much rather have an interface like the recording editor only for works…
