I think that leaving it empty is better than having a questionable "Other" option
2011-07-18 19916, 2011
ianmcorvidae
leaving it empty signifies there is something missing, some data that's yet to be filled in
2011-07-18 19928, 2011
ianmcorvidae
like an empty barcode/cat no., etc
2011-07-18 19939, 2011
ianmcorvidae
having "other" means "yes, we know this person's gender, and it's neither"
2011-07-18 19959, 2011
derwin
+1
2011-07-18 19944, 2011
ianmcorvidae
identifications really don't change all that often; going with "how the artist identifies" is actually pretty reasonable in practice
2011-07-18 19902, 2011
hawke_
ianmcorvidae: As with everything, there’s probably an exception.
2011-07-18 19920, 2011
ianmcorvidae
there are always edge cases; they aren't really that important :P
2011-07-18 19925, 2011
hawke_
If nothing else, an artist who claims to change sexual identity regularly just to be a dick (so to speak, heh)
2011-07-18 19932, 2011
ianmcorvidae
lol
2011-07-18 19939, 2011
ianmcorvidae
just set that to Other, if it's every other week or something
2011-07-18 19921, 2011
ianmcorvidae
has the problem of inviting controversy re: gender, but I don't think there's a way to deal with that situation that _doesn't_ invite edit wars
2011-07-18 19904, 2011
ianmcorvidae
leaving it empty says "fill this in!" and then people will get annoyed if it's the wrong thing; either gender, for someone who's switching often, will clearly get questioned, etc.
2011-07-18 19908, 2011
reosarevok
"What the artist identifies with" seems to me the less controversial option
2011-07-18 19920, 2011
ianmcorvidae
yeah
2011-07-18 19941, 2011
derwin
reosarevok : what if the artist identifies as "intergender" ?
2011-07-18 19955, 2011
luks
I'd use "it's complicated" rather than "other" then
2011-07-18 19957, 2011
ianmcorvidae
then "Other"
2011-07-18 19900, 2011
reosarevok
derwin: that's not male nor female, so it's other :p
2011-07-18 19904, 2011
derwin
luks!
2011-07-18 19909, 2011
derwin
"it's complicated" heheeh
2011-07-18 19919, 2011
ianmcorvidae
too Facebook :P
2011-07-18 19905, 2011
reosarevok can fight an edit war with any ultraconservative who doesn't agree with "what the artist identifies with" any day
P-Orridge has two daughters, Caresse and Genesse, with former wife Paula P-Orridge (born Alaura O'Dell). After marrying Lady Jaye Breyer P-Orridge in 1993, they began a project to become Breyer P-Orridge, a single pandrogynous entity
2011-07-18 19902, 2011
hawke_
derwin: Sounds like someone who’s a jackass for worrying too much about it. :-)
2011-07-18 19908, 2011
voiceinsideyou joined the channel
2011-07-18 19921, 2011
derwin
hawke.. he is quite a famous figure in the history of industrial music, and is good fun.
2011-07-18 19924, 2011
derwin
but sure.
2011-07-18 19928, 2011
derwin
" Genesis and his second wife Lady Jaye, née Jacqueline Breyer, relocated to Brooklyn.[12] There, they began an ongoing experiment in body modification aimed at creating one pandrogynous being named Breyer P-Orridge.[13] They received breast implants and adopted gender neutral and alternating pronouns. "
2011-07-18 19934, 2011
hawke_
Yup.
2011-07-18 19945, 2011
ianmcorvidae
oh, part of Throbbing Gristle
2011-07-18 19950, 2011
ianmcorvidae
okay
2011-07-18 19907, 2011
derwin
yeah, one of the founders, also historically involved in the "acid house" scene etc.
2011-07-18 19942, 2011
dubwai joined the channel
2011-07-18 19943, 2011
reosarevok
AWESOME
2011-07-18 19946, 2011
dubwai
if i have proper lossless rip of cd can i add PUIDs
2011-07-18 19904, 2011
reosarevok
So
2011-07-18 19917, 2011
reosarevok
The back cover just says "Fantasy & Minuet"
2011-07-18 19924, 2011
reosarevok
Very helpful, RCA Victor
2011-07-18 19953, 2011
reosarevok
dubwai: I don't think people even care too much if their rips are proper and lossless before submitting them
2011-07-18 19959, 2011
reosarevok
So I can't see why not
2011-07-18 19918, 2011
hawke_
dubwai: You don’t need lossless, PUIDs are equally useful and relevant for lossy rips.
2011-07-18 19931, 2011
hawke_
dubwai: but: “yes”
2011-07-18 19924, 2011
dubwai
but why in Picard button is inactive :-)
2011-07-18 19956, 2011
hawke_
dubwai: Either because the PUIDs are already there (the ones you found aren’t new)
2011-07-18 19910, 2011
hawke_
or because it wasn‘t able to get a PUID for the track
2011-07-18 19910, 2011
dubwai
no how i can upload PUIDs to musicbrain release that doen't have it in picars "Submit PUIDs" always inactive http://i.imgur.com/qaQpL.jpg
2011-07-18 19926, 2011
nikki
(the encoding doesn't really make a difference anyway, I tested once with a file I ripped, I had to encode it as something stupid like 16kbps mp3 before it would generate different puids)
2011-07-18 19938, 2011
hawke_
dubwai: I understand what you’re saying. The button is inactive for one of the two reasons I described above.
2011-07-18 19950, 2011
derwin
dubwai PUID is dead, I think?
2011-07-18 19900, 2011
reosarevok
Not yet
2011-07-18 19908, 2011
reosarevok
But maybe the PUID-making service is down again…
2011-07-18 19921, 2011
hawke_
dubwai: It only becomes active if a new PUID/track association could be made, and if there are PUIDs available for your local files.
2011-07-18 19943, 2011
kepstin-laptop
dubwai: if the song hasn't already been scanned into the puid database with another (proprietary) tool, picard won't be able to look up the puid.
2011-07-18 19937, 2011
dubwai
so picard can't genrete it only submit?
2011-07-18 19907, 2011
ianmcorvidae
it can only generate fingerprints (which can be used to look up PUIDs), not PUIDs
2011-07-18 19902, 2011
bitmap
you have to use genpuid or the musicip mixer to analyze the files and wait for them to assign a PUID (who knows how long that takes nowadays)
2011-07-18 19927, 2011
hawke_
PUIDs are basically just a record number in MusicIP’s database, not something that can be generated elsewhere
"MusicDNS/PUID is now officially end of life and should not be used anymore in new development."
2011-07-18 19957, 2011
hawke_
dubwai: Yes.
2011-07-18 19904, 2011
reosarevok
Yeah
2011-07-18 19906, 2011
reosarevok
It was sold
2011-07-18 19909, 2011
MBChatLogger
Ponies and sunshine and myspace and glitter!!
2011-07-18 19909, 2011
reosarevok
To Gracenote
2011-07-18 19922, 2011
reosarevok
Which is basically the same as killing it
2011-07-18 19920, 2011
hawke_
Well, it wasn’t exactly perfect before it was sold, either, was it?
2011-07-18 19941, 2011
luks
note that "Submit PUIDs" will only become active after you "Scan" the files, it find the PUIDs, but not matches in the MB database and then you match it to a release
2011-07-18 19951, 2011
luks
it won't activate without scanning the files first
2011-07-18 19920, 2011
hawke_
luks: Doesn’t it autoscan new files by default anyway?
2011-07-18 19934, 2011
luks
no
2011-07-18 19949, 2011
luks
there is an option for that, but it's not enabled by default
2011-07-18 19946, 2011
hawke_
ah, I thought that option was on by default — I think I must just always turn it on. :-)
2011-07-18 19916, 2011
luks
picard never had it on by default
2011-07-18 19927, 2011
reosarevok
hawke_: when you go on classical rampages, remember to also add links to IMSLP!
2011-07-18 19928, 2011
reosarevok
:)
2011-07-18 19937, 2011
reosarevok thinks it's a great thing to have
2011-07-18 19958, 2011
reosarevok
Even though I can't play any instrument anyway and I can't use the scores
