won't it fail anyway, with a stunning 15 No votes?
2011-05-15 13518, 2011
nikki
yes, but it's better if we can close it now
2011-05-15 13512, 2011
nikki
'cause the fewer edits there are, the easier it is to see which ones we can approve and which will just fail
2011-05-15 13532, 2011
reosarevok
flamingspinach: what about the doubly stunning 34 no votes from the previous link? :D
2011-05-15 13532, 2011
flamingspinach
then we should track down KeithIrwin and cooperaa too, no?
2011-05-15 13545, 2011
nikki
I already sent cooperaa an email
2011-05-15 13552, 2011
nikki
(wasn't going to comment and spam everyone ;))
2011-05-15 13501, 2011
nikki
meh
2011-05-15 13504, 2011
flamingspinach
reosarevok: haha whoa
2011-05-15 13509, 2011
nikki
now I'll send this keith guy one too
2011-05-15 13516, 2011
nikki
unless he's in here
2011-05-15 13539, 2011
flamingspinach
why would you vote yes on that...
2011-05-15 13559, 2011
flamingspinach
actually why would you even make that edit... too bad there's no edit summary to tell us :P
2011-05-15 13542, 2011
nikki sent him a message too
2011-05-15 13503, 2011
nikki
flamingspinach: are you not going to add to all the no votes then? :P
2011-05-15 13521, 2011
flamingspinach
that just seems opportunistic :P
2011-05-15 13527, 2011
nikki
aww
2011-05-15 13557, 2011
flamingspinach
I feel guilty about not voting no on the unsung bad edits that doubtless slip by all the time...
2011-05-15 13519, 2011
flamingspinach
this edit freeze does have the benefit that it made people (other than me) start voting on edits :P
2011-05-15 13528, 2011
flamingspinach
I guess I'm only in the second layer of ruaok's onion (as described at https://jhemerly.wordpress.com/robert-kaye-interv… ) so I don't have much of an opinion on most edits, so I don't usually vote...
2011-05-15 13555, 2011
reosarevok
flamingspinach: yeah. It's a shame that NGS is going to launch such an amount of work and recording merges upon us that nobody will have the willpower to vote on them :(
2011-05-15 13559, 2011
nikki shakes her head
2011-05-15 13510, 2011
nikki
I read that as "so I don't have much of an onion on most edits"
2011-05-15 13516, 2011
flamingspinach
lol
2011-05-15 13521, 2011
flamingspinach
that too is a true statement
2011-05-15 13546, 2011
reosarevok wishes we had much of an onion on most edits
2011-05-15 13559, 2011
reosarevok
We could end world hunger
2011-05-15 13524, 2011
nikki
although the world would be much smellier
2011-05-15 13546, 2011
reosarevok likes the smell of onion anyway
2011-05-15 13507, 2011
nikki likes the taste of onions but hates cutting them
2011-05-15 13524, 2011
reosarevok
Oh, but you see
2011-05-15 13529, 2011
reosarevok
They'd be cut already!
2011-05-15 13544, 2011
reosarevok
That's why we would have much of an onion, not a full onion
2011-05-15 13552, 2011
reosarevok
:D
2011-05-15 13510, 2011
nikki
they'd probably still hurt my eyes
2011-05-15 13523, 2011
reosarevok has red onions with everything
2011-05-15 13539, 2011
reosarevok
Pasta with onions, rice with onions, potatoes with onions, bread with onions
2011-05-15 13552, 2011
reosarevok
Well, I actually haven't tried cereals with onions
2011-05-15 13555, 2011
nikki
haha
2011-05-15 13556, 2011
reosarevok
Probably for the best
2011-05-15 13504, 2011
nikki
hmm
2011-05-15 13511, 2011
nikki
it's been a long time since I had red onios
2011-05-15 13514, 2011
nikki
onions too
2011-05-15 13523, 2011
nikki
I always get white ones
2011-05-15 13529, 2011
reosarevok
aww
2011-05-15 13533, 2011
reosarevok
White onions are boring
2011-05-15 13555, 2011
nikki
I wonder if I've even seen red ones here...
2011-05-15 13500, 2011
alex-hu
How could I submit tag name corrections (and other metadata) corrections to the database? Is getting an account and using picard sufficient?
2011-05-15 13543, 2011
nikki
alex-hu: at the moment you can't edit (we're in the middle of closing all edits so we can do a big upgrade)
2011-05-15 13550, 2011
reosarevok
Normally, you don't even need Picard, as long as you have an account
2011-05-15 13554, 2011
nikki
but yes, you just need an account and then you can edit on the website
2011-05-15 13558, 2011
reosarevok
You need time, willingness and sources
2011-05-15 13504, 2011
reosarevok
Especially sources
2011-05-15 13506, 2011
reosarevok
:)
2011-05-15 13548, 2011
alex-hu
What do you mean by sources? Original rips?
2011-05-15 13519, 2011
reosarevok
Nope
2011-05-15 13528, 2011
reosarevok
Something that proves the changes
2011-05-15 13544, 2011
reosarevok
(be it scans, URLs, whatever. some kind of proof)
2011-05-15 13501, 2011
alex-hu is puzzled
2011-05-15 13531, 2011
aeontech
link to discogs listing of album, amazon, scan of cd back cover showing tracklist, or artist's official discography entry for the album is normally what is used
2011-05-15 13550, 2011
aeontech
to show that your correction is in fact correct
2011-05-15 13559, 2011
aeontech
usually not hard to come by
2011-05-15 13530, 2011
alex-hu
aah, ok; no problem with that ;-)
2011-05-15 13541, 2011
reosarevok is amazed at the kind of things Mexican drug cartels do http://www.blogdelnarco.com/2011/05/localizan-vehiculo-de-los-zetas-el.html
2011-05-15 13508, 2011
flamingspinach
there is some kind of plugin for picard which uploads your tags as an add release edit
2011-05-15 13523, 2011
flamingspinach
I couldn't get it to work for me though because it uses HTTP GET which has data length limitations :P
2011-05-15 13528, 2011
nikki
the add cluster as release one
2011-05-15 13533, 2011
flamingspinach
yup, that one
2011-05-15 13545, 2011
aeontech
orly?
2011-05-15 13547, 2011
aeontech
nice
2011-05-15 13549, 2011
nikki
the limit was increased a few weeks back
2011-05-15 13549, 2011
reosarevok
Yeah
2011-05-15 13555, 2011
reosarevok
But will it work in NGS?
2011-05-15 13515, 2011
aeontech
i wish there was a plugin to do a straight up discogs release import
2011-05-15 13516, 2011
flamingspinach
nikki: really? why?
2011-05-15 13539, 2011
flamingspinach
sounds like a good idea - we have freedb stubs, why not discogs stubs?
2011-05-15 13540, 2011
aeontech
for good quality releases it's such a waste of time having to copy and paste the data over manually
2011-05-15 13543, 2011
aeontech
even with a track parser
2011-05-15 13544, 2011
aeontech
yeah
2011-05-15 13545, 2011
aeontech
exactly
2011-05-15 13545, 2011
nikki
'cause the limit broken a few things which submit a bunch of data using get :)
2011-05-15 13502, 2011
nikki
I think for ngs we'd just need picard to display a box with a copyable tracklist
2011-05-15 13502, 2011
aeontech
and discogs has way better metadata than freedb
2011-05-15 13520, 2011
nikki
anything has better metadata than freedb :P
2011-05-15 13524, 2011
aeontech
exactly
2011-05-15 13526, 2011
flamingspinach
yeah, no kidding
2011-05-15 13550, 2011
aeontech
also would be nice if it auto-linked releases to url's in 'add release' edit notes
2011-05-15 13557, 2011
aeontech
if they're recognized
2011-05-15 13515, 2011
nikki
it'd be better to be able to add the relationships when adding a release
2011-05-15 13518, 2011
aeontech
half the time it's an amazon or discogs url, why do I have to go and add a relationship manually if i already noted it in the edit note as proof
2011-05-15 13539, 2011
nikki
I mean... I could link to amazon saying "it doesn't appear to be this version", I wouldn't want it to automatically add an amazon relationship ;)
2011-05-15 13544, 2011
alex-hu
Do I instruct picard about genres somehow (I'm aware that they're not stored on the server; from faq), or is it assumed that I should continue tagging my music after tagging it with picard?
2011-05-15 13552, 2011
aeontech
nikki: true
2011-05-15 13510, 2011
aeontech
nikki: but at least it could say "hey, you had these url's in the edit note; do you want me to auto-link it now"
2011-05-15 13513, 2011
aeontech
and default to no
2011-05-15 13538, 2011
aeontech
alex-hu: genre stuff is kinda iffy and very very ill-defined, so picard doesn't do anything with genres for you by default
2011-05-15 13501, 2011
alex-hu
"by default"; does it mean, I could still use picard to add such tags?
2011-05-15 13506, 2011
aeontech
alex-hu: but there's a plugin for picard that will use folksonomy tags from last.fm and/or musicbrainz and populate your 'genre' field with the most popular tags
2011-05-15 13511, 2011
aeontech
iirc
2011-05-15 13513, 2011
alex-hu is trying to avoid using a zillion of applications for tagging
2011-05-15 13527, 2011
aeontech
alex-hu: yeah, with that plugin you could
2011-05-15 13536, 2011
aeontech
basically
2011-05-15 13539, 2011
alex-hu
hmm; ok. I'll do it manually then ;-)
2011-05-15 13516, 2011
aeontech
alex-hu: yeah, everybody has their own conventions of how they want to use the genre filed, so it's kinda left wide open
2011-05-15 13530, 2011
flamingspinach
I just don't use it, I don't see any conceivable use for the genre tag
2011-05-15 13536, 2011
aeontech
yeah i don't use it either
2011-05-15 13541, 2011
aeontech
it's way too limiting
2011-05-15 13516, 2011
alex-hu
maybe, it's a good idea -- to forgo the tag in the file; thank you, that's how I'll do it
2011-05-15 13547, 2011
alex-hu
*genre tag*
2011-05-15 13547, 2011
aeontech
alex-hu: i mean if you actually need them, you can still tag them in itunes or your preferred music player.
2011-05-15 13529, 2011
alex-hu
I think, if I ever need them, they'll be added in through some metadata.xml file in the directory or such.
2011-05-15 13530, 2011
aeontech
but for myself, it's both "how do I tag this mix of electro/dubstep/folk", and "damn, this genre is so precise it's useless for finding related stuff"
2011-05-15 13500, 2011
aeontech
if i were to use it, I would probably go with "top 3 genre tags from last.fm for this artist"
2011-05-15 13501, 2011
alex-hu
well, something like ambient + noise or dark ambient + noise is quite useful
2011-05-15 13532, 2011
aeontech
but even that fails when you have an artist whose albums are in different genres
2011-05-15 13534, 2011
mchou joined the channel
2011-05-15 13546, 2011
aeontech
yeah i guess i'm just used to mentally organizing it by artist name, instead of genre
2011-05-15 13524, 2011
alex-hu
So, is there some application that I could use to submit my changes adjustments in batch, after I finished tagging the collection?
2011-05-15 13539, 2011
aeontech
alex-hu: genre changes?
2011-05-15 13548, 2011
alex-hu
no, minor title changes
2011-05-15 13510, 2011
nikki
right now the only way to submit edits is through the website
