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      • CatCat
        yo ucan totally stay at my flat!
      • 2011-11-09 31307, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (notice that might not be soon, as I need to get said money first)
      • 2011-11-09 31311, 2011

      • reosarevok
        :)
      • 2011-11-09 31327, 2011

      • reosarevok is not even going to spend said fortune, and won't see his family this time
      • 2011-11-09 31333, 2011

      • CatCat
        aw that's ok, wap spent here and so dd rob in his time so you are very welcome
      • 2011-11-09 31342, 2011

      • CatCat
        aww
      • 2011-11-09 31342, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (it's only been 6 months though, not one year)
      • 2011-11-09 31347, 2011

      • nikki
        christmas is a rubbish time for travelling. everyone wants to travel and it's really expensive
      • 2011-11-09 31352, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Indeed
      • 2011-11-09 31352, 2011

      • CatCat
        :/
      • 2011-11-09 31356, 2011

      • nikki
        and everyone's ill too ¬_¬
      • 2011-11-09 31356, 2011

      • CatCat
        ..
      • 2011-11-09 31305, 2011

      • nikki spent last christmas in bed being ill
      • 2011-11-09 31309, 2011

      • nikki
        what a waste of money
      • 2011-11-09 31310, 2011

      • CatCat wouldent mind traveling.. to see soem family.. :/
      • 2011-11-09 31325, 2011

      • CatCat hasn't got any
      • 2011-11-09 31332, 2011

      • CatCat
        well ,that wants to see me anyway
      • 2011-11-09 31350, 2011

      • CatCat
        wow a christmas summit, now that woudl be sopmething one year
      • 2011-11-09 31342, 2011

      • CatCat has got these uber-tiny boxes with gum inside called "chiclets"
      • 2011-11-09 31305, 2011

      • CatCat
        they are as small as a finger
      • 2011-11-09 31320, 2011

      • reosarevok
        "chicle" is the Spanish word for chewing gum :)
      • 2011-11-09 31330, 2011

      • CatCat
        maybe 1x2 x 0,5 cm
      • 2011-11-09 31334, 2011

      • CatCat
        i know!
      • 2011-11-09 31359, 2011

      • CatCat
        i was googleing and found wikipedia and it said that it originally came from the "chicle trea"
      • 2011-11-09 31312, 2011

      • CatCat
        we call it tyggegummi
      • 2011-11-09 31332, 2011

      • CatCat
        (wich is directly translated from chewing gum)
      • 2011-11-09 31336, 2011

      • CatCat
        but sounds cooler
      • 2011-11-09 31345, 2011

      • CatCat
        shorthand also "tyggis"
      • 2011-11-09 31329, 2011

      • CatCat
        idk sweeds call it tyggis too i think.. or "toy" which is brand
      • 2011-11-09 31330, 2011

      • reosarevok
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      • reosarevok wtfs
      • 2011-11-09 31351, 2011

      • CatCat
        do-rin-kufa-i?
      • 2011-11-09 31354, 2011

      • CatCat
        :PP
      • 2011-11-09 31300, 2011

      • CatCat
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      • CatCat
        Now grooving to: Uriah Heep ~ Why (extended version) (10:34) (from Demons and Wizards) (1972)
      • 2011-11-09 31323, 2011

      • reosarevok
        CatCat, just artist name I think
      • 2011-11-09 31330, 2011

      • CatCat
        LAAAME
      • 2011-11-09 31342, 2011

      • reosarevok
        :p
      • 2011-11-09 31356, 2011

      • CatCat has no idea what a "Buck Chuck" is
      • 2011-11-09 31301, 2011

      • derwin
        2 buck cuck
      • 2011-11-09 31301, 2011

      • CatCat doesn't liek the sound of it
      • 2011-11-09 31305, 2011

      • derwin
        2 buck chuck
      • 2011-11-09 31314, 2011

      • derwin
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      • CatCat
        well i don't know what one is so i am no closer to two
      • 2011-11-09 31334, 2011

      • CatCat
        does any band say to drink cola?
      • 2011-11-09 31342, 2011

      • CatCat
        or or bailies!
      • 2011-11-09 31342, 2011

      • reosarevok has no idea
      • 2011-11-09 31349, 2011

      • CatCat
        out of a shoe!
      • 2011-11-09 31352, 2011

      • CatCat
        :PP
      • 2011-11-09 31300, 2011

      • CatCat msut try
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      • CatCat
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      • reosarevok
        Aww, what a wasted chance
      • 2011-11-09 31358, 2011

      • CatCat
        i know!
      • 2011-11-09 31306, 2011

      • reosarevok
        The Minor Threat one has alcohol
      • 2011-11-09 31300, 2011

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      • CatCat
        damn gettign alte an i should ahve showered
      • 2011-11-09 31357, 2011

      • CatCat
        aw well
      • 2011-11-09 31303, 2011

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      • CatCat
        <-- shower
      • 2011-11-09 31312, 2011

      • CatCat
        natta all
      • 2011-11-09 31326, 2011

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      • hawke_
        Yay power outages.
      • 2011-11-09 31310, 2011

      • reosarevok
        More snow?
      • 2011-11-09 31326, 2011

      • reosarevok
        If so, then stop stealing it from its rightful place in the Nordic countries
      • 2011-11-09 31300, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (now a Finn will come and say "Hey, Estonia is not a Nordic country!")
      • 2011-11-09 31352, 2011

      • hawke_
        :-D
      • 2011-11-09 31323, 2011

      • hawke_
        nikki: Yeah, I haven’t really known how to respond to them. Doing so now.
      • 2011-11-09 31316, 2011

      • hawke_
        There, done.
      • 2011-11-09 31327, 2011

      • hawke_
        I’d really like to hear more from symphonick on it though
      • 2011-11-09 31336, 2011

      • nikki
        thanks :)
      • 2011-11-09 31312, 2011

      • hawke_
        I was partly waiting and hoping to hear from him, to understand better what situation he’s thinking about.
      • 2011-11-09 31335, 2011

      • CallerNo6
        hawke_, I'd think symphonick's worried about things like cadenzas (in classical). Or maybe things that are huge solo-fests, but aren't credited that way (like, I dunno, jazz or a Joe Satriani album).
      • 2011-11-09 31335, 2011

      • hawke_
        I don’t really see those as something to worry about.
      • 2011-11-09 31356, 2011

      • hawke_
        If the soloist is known, it’s OK to record that fact.
      • 2011-11-09 31318, 2011

      • hawke_
        often there is no need to just because there is only one of any given instrument
      • 2011-11-09 31332, 2011

      • hawke_
        but other than that…
      • 2011-11-09 31342, 2011

      • CallerNo6 was just guessing.
      • 2011-11-09 31312, 2011

      • hawke_
        Nod
      • 2011-11-09 31336, 2011

      • hawke_
        I dunno, if MB were only about capturing what’s specifically credited on a release I could see that.
      • 2011-11-09 31308, 2011

      • hawke_
        But as I understand it, it’s only that the liner notes and such are usually the only evidence we have.
      • 2011-11-09 31348, 2011

      • CallerNo6
        (playing devil's advocate) saying something is a "solo" is kind of like determining genre. Is a twenty minute noodle-a-thon a "solo"?
      • 2011-11-09 31300, 2011

      • hawke_
        yes. :-)
      • 2011-11-09 31337, 2011

      • CallerNo6
        is a caprice a solo?
      • 2011-11-09 31357, 2011

      • reosarevok is starting to feel this is like rap vocals
      • 2011-11-09 31330, 2011

      • hawke_
        I have no idea.
      • 2011-11-09 31344, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (that are only credited as "rap vocals" in things where you'd not usually expect to find rap vocals, and uncredited in the normal places, so you'd have to be like "is this rapping, or singing, or half rapping, or half singing"?
      • 2011-11-09 31341, 2011

      • nikki
        bah, rap too
      • 2011-11-09 31355, 2011

      • hawke_
        CallerNo6: After reading the WP article: probably not, unless I misunderstand
      • 2011-11-09 31308, 2011

      • hawke_
        solo doesn’t necessarily mean free-form or improvised.
      • 2011-11-09 31333, 2011

      • nikki wants to credit stuff in the liner properly ;_;
      • 2011-11-09 31348, 2011

      • hawke_
        but it might have a solo part, certainly.
      • 2011-11-09 31338, 2011

      • reosarevok
        nikki, go ask for free form vocal fields :p
      • 2011-11-09 31346, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (good luck convincing them)
      • 2011-11-09 31345, 2011

      • nikki envies discogs
      • 2011-11-09 31338, 2011

      • hawke_
        It’s strange that MB seems to have more credit info than discogs does, given that
      • 2011-11-09 31319, 2011

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      • CallerNo6
        hawke_, I guess what I meant was, there are short single-instrument "caprices" that are probably the equivalent of a "solo", but making that determination seems more "cultural" than "factual". And /that/ is what I suspect symphonick was talking about.
      • 2011-11-09 31350, 2011

      • hawke_
        I take it they’re part of a larger work?
      • 2011-11-09 31350, 2011

      • CallerNo6
        Useage has shifted. Sometimes they're just short technique-driven pieces meant to wow the audience.
      • 2011-11-09 31312, 2011

      • reosarevok
        CallerNo6, hawke_: factual determination doesn't exist
      • 2011-11-09 31315, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Accept it
      • 2011-11-09 31328, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Subjectivity is about to make you its bitch!
      • 2011-11-09 31329, 2011

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      • reosarevok turns off Romero
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      • CallerNo6 has heard the sermon on the train
      • 2011-11-09 31339, 2011

      • hawke_
        reosarevok: Who performed something is subjective?
      • 2011-11-09 31359, 2011

      • reosarevok
        hawke_, no, but how you call that something is
      • 2011-11-09 31303, 2011

      • reosarevok
        "performed" is factual
      • 2011-11-09 31312, 2011

      • reosarevok
        "performed instrument" is usually factual too
      • 2011-11-09 31318, 2011

      • reosarevok
        But more than that gets pretty tricky
      • 2011-11-09 31342, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (and with some instruments, like talkbox, it gets tricky already, as some people would call that vocals)
      • 2011-11-09 31302, 2011

      • hawke_
        Seems no more subjective than say “background vocals”
      • 2011-11-09 31305, 2011

      • hawke_
        which we use all the time
      • 2011-11-09 31308, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (and with some performances, especially electronic ones, it gets tricky already, as some people would call that production / engineering)
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      • reosarevok never uses "background vocals" unless they're credited as such, because of the same issue
      • 2011-11-09 31334, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (nor "lead" either)
      • 2011-11-09 31359, 2011

      • reosarevok is not saying "this shouldn't be added"
      • 2011-11-09 31308, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Just "it's unlikely that you'll find a hard boundary
      • 2011-11-09 31309, 2011

      • reosarevok
        "
      • 2011-11-09 31316, 2011

      • hawke_
        Oh, absolutely.
      • 2011-11-09 31342, 2011

      • hawke_
        I don’t see a need for a hard boundary — just leave it up to the editors and the voters, they’ll figure it out just fine I suspect.
      • 2011-11-09 31355, 2011

      • CallerNo6 agrees, is just trying to anticipate (or understand) the objections.
      • 2011-11-09 31334, 2011

      • reosarevok agrees too, and would like to extend that line of thought
      • 2011-11-09 31352, 2011

      • reosarevok
        But that would need a big change in the no-voting culture in MB
      • 2011-11-09 31314, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (as in, right now, a failed edit is usually seen as a taint in an editor's history)
      • 2011-11-09 31322, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (which makes people play too safe sometimes)
      • 2011-11-09 31328, 2011

      • hawke_
        That’s because editor pages show the stats. :-p
      • 2011-11-09 31332, 2011

      • reosarevok
        (especially for things without hard boundaries)
      • 2011-11-09 31356, 2011

      • hawke_
        I really hope the bookbrainz editing system works out and can be adapted properly
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      • kepstin
        bah, why doesn't setting track times from cd toc update the recordings...
      • 2011-11-09 31315, 2011

      • hawke_
        Because that would make sense.
      • 2011-11-09 31328, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Indeed
      • 2011-11-09 31337, 2011

      • reosarevok
        But you can update track times from the recordings if you want!
      • 2011-11-09 31342, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Actually, if you don't want, too!
      • 2011-11-09 31345, 2011

      • reosarevok
        :)
      • 2011-11-09 31350, 2011

      • hawke_
        can you?
      • 2011-11-09 31355, 2011

      • hawke_
        (easily)
      • 2011-11-09 31301, 2011

      • reosarevok
        Well
      • 2011-11-09 31313, 2011

      • reosarevok
        It's doing it on its own if the track lengths are empty
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      • kepstin
        but now my track times are full, and my recording times are empty.
      • 2011-11-09 31341, 2011

      • reosarevok
        As part of people's edits