Whew, done going through weird al recordings and adding disambiguation comments
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kepstin
I'm getting a lot of "could not load album" in picard right now, is there some sort of server issue?
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bitmap
503s?
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kepstin
dunno, I don't have the debug log open atm
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bitmap
I started getting 503s a few days ago
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bitmap
around that time some article referencing Picard was published, so I figured that's why the servers were busy
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kepstin has a replicated db locally, he really should get the website+webservice running on it so he doesn't have to run picard against the main musicbrainz servers
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bitmap
that's even slower than the main servers for me (though at least all of the requests go through :P)
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kepstin
yeah, I'm hoping for reliability over speed here :)
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kepstin doesn't expect his 1.8ghz atom running the db on a raid of wd green drives to be a speed daemon.
it just edited some of my subs, and is.. pretty clearly a bot :)
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kepstin
looks like it's just someone's normal user account, but he's running a bot on it.
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derwin
I'm glad he's auto-relating
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derwin
because you cant associate the discogs url with the label in one go
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derwin
so I often add labels, but don't associate.
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kepstin
hmm. actually, no, looks like most (all?) of the edits on that user are by a bot
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kepstin
he seems to have improved it with time.
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kepstin
hmm, never mind. I just didn't go back far enough.
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kepstin
either way, the current bot seems to be doing pretty thorough checks and is writing good edit notes, I can't complain :)
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derwin
yeah looks sane to me :)
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hawke_
Is a radio broadcast considered “live”?
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VxJasonxV
only if it's performed live in the studio
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CatCat
[01:01] hawke__ Whew, done going through weird al recordings and adding disambiguation comments
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CatCat
well done hawke !!
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dubwai
hey if on cover stay %title% (vx: Name) thats meean vocal, but how to enter to song title to MB %title% (feat. Name) or %title% (Name vocal)
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hawke__
VxJasonxV: That’s what I was thinking, but how is “performed live in the studio at a radio station” any different than “performed live in the recording studio”?
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hawke__
What exactly is it that makes it “live”?
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hawke__
(Talking here about relatively early recordings that would have been cut directly to disc regardless of where they were recorded)
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VxJasonxV
because people don't consider studio recordings live
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VxJasonxV
live at a radio station is immediately broadcast to all listeners
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VxJasonxV
the question is not where, it's what.
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hawke__
Heh
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VxJasonxV
performing/recording in a studio isn't live because it's usually multiple takes
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VxJasonxV
even sometimes people are not all there at the same time. god bless multi-track recordings
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hawke__
Right, that applies after the invention of multi-track recordings though
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VxJasonxV
basically what I have in mind is: Traditional concert. A band sets up at a venue and plays. Live.
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VxJasonxV
Radio concert. KROQ's acoustic christmas or whatever, those were all live.
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VxJasonxV
A band in a studio with no audience is not live.
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VxJasonxV
A band in a studio with an audience is live.
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VxJasonxV
.oO(at least I thought KROQ's stuff was live. I actually don't know first hand...)
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hawke__
So it’s the audience that counts, regardless of whether they’re actually present?
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VxJasonxV
I assume you mean physically present, yes.
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VxJasonxV
performing for studio engineers is not really live :).
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VxJasonxV
live usually infers a single take, too
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CallerNo6 seems to remember hearing "recorded live in the studio" to mean "same take, no overdubs"
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hawke__
Yes, but that also applies to a lot of early recordings which were cut directly to disc
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hawke__
and even a fair amount of taped ones, before 1955 or so.
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VxJasonxV
I don't understand how that could be considered live.
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VxJasonxV
Let's make an analog
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VxJasonxV
A lot of TV shows are "recorded live in front of a studio audience"
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CallerNo6 only meant that "live" might mean different things in different contexts
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VxJasonxV
that's live to the audience, which is live enough. It's not live to air.
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VxJasonxV
And even the audience watches do-overs (I've seen it in person at radio shows too.)
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hawke__
So you’d say it’s the audience that makes it live, and people involved in the production don’t count?
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VxJasonxV
absolutely
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VxJasonxV
I understand CallerNo6's point. The use of that colloquially is strange, but I understand it.
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VxJasonxV
Much of MBz is not science, it's art :D.
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CallerNo6
... and curating
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hawke__
I was just hoping it wasn’t something like “advertised as live”
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hawke__
or something equally arbitrary
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VxJasonxV
I think that applies as well
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VxJasonxV
it's like the EP release type. it exists if the album says EP, and really not much else. At least not in recent times anyways.
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VxJasonxV
if the album says EP or the artist calls it an EP.
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VxJasonxV
but otherwise, it's an album.
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warp
hm, I do use it on occasion for things which are not labeled EP.
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kepstin-netbook uses ep for japanese 'mini-albums',lacking a better choice
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VxJasonxV
this is exactly my point about science/art ;)
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hawke__
What I’ve got here is recordings listed as being performed for radio, and not published until relatively recently in an artist retrospective
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VxJasonxV
is there a web page we can look at as well?
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CallerNo6
I entered a release that was recorded with an audience as "studio" because it didn't seem like it was a "performance for the audience" so much as "we let some friends and fans hang out"
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CallerNo6
... "while we recorded"
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VxJasonxV
I actually don't exactly know what the ARs are in this case.
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hawke__
VxJasonxV: If that was directed at me, not really because it’s from a book.
so, this case kinda sounds like what CallerNo6 was talking about. It's not broadcasted live over the radio, it's just recorded in a radio studio, to give it the single take 'live' sound.
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hawke__
No…the book lists it similarly, as “Radio broadcast, Radio Genève”
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VxJasonxV
well then
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CallerNo6
N.B. "The Peel Sessions" releases have been entered as "EP" nearly half the time and "Live" the other half.
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hawke__
But, you know, not live with a physically-present audience.
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VxJasonxV
but live with a remotely-present audience
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VxJasonxV
as the artists played, people heard it. that's live.
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hawke__
Thus making it essentially the same as most of the other recordings the artist in question did. :-)
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hawke__
I think what makes me question the live status of a radio broadcast, is the lack of audience feedback.
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hawke__
There’s no opportunity for the artist to react to the audience’s reception of his performance.
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CallerNo6
I agree that that's an important distinction. The question in my mind is, if "live" vs "album" doesn
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CallerNo6
't really make it clear, what would? Listing the venue?
