#musicbrainz

ruaok, that's where the smart money is.

apparently not. :-)

I'll ask him tomorrow if he's seen anything like that

(he's fast asleep at the moment though :P)

Cheers. It wouldn't surprise me too much if it was an issue with the player, with my luck, but oh well.

[01:39] ruaokclearly you're and edge case for the survey. :)

I try to be always logged in.

Perhaps this channel lends itself to edge cases.

I would imagine it's just that the people who want to hang around with other mb users and talk to them tend to be the ones who spend more time on mb... and what's the point logging out and back in all the time? :P

I findit imenisvly annoying when for example wikipedia loggs me out on a regular basis

I always get annoyed I have to log in to my test server again.:P

me too :P

wow. moose has been up for 1150 days.

Is anyone else noticing any server troubles?

The server's been a little slower than usual for the past few hours, but I thought it was my internet connection being flakey.

I don't think that's it; I'm getting 504s while editing a release and looking at past edits.

Yup I just got a 504.

How's it now?

Yeah, seems to be much snappier now.

Time to ditch shitty PUIDs then!

Assuming of course that the MB -> L.fm business relationship isn't so hilariously poo still.

Hey guys I've found fun stuff !

We can make up a title for the new Granturismo 5 song http://www.gran-turismo.com/jp/news/d9551.html?... !

send an english song title along with full name, nickname, country and explanation to the e-mail adress until 2010-07-2

2010-07-25 11:29

We can also choose the Capitalisation Style we want !!!! THINK ABOUT FULL CAPS TITLE FOR INSTANCE !!!!! How great !

go old school and submit "DROP TABLE trm;"

it's now published in english too http://eu.gran-turismo.com/gb/news/d13705.html

I want to do the suvey but i don't understand "Peer-produced sources" in "Peer-produced sources for music information are as reliable as non-peer-produced resources" quesiont?

anyone can help me I'm stucked on the first pages of the MB survey

peer produced means data that has been created by multiple, often non-professional, people

as in mbz

as opposed to non-peer produced, like cddb

mr_maxis: the preevious fingerprints lokked good too (the one given yesterday or the day before in this IRC)

wizzcat: why don't they oppose official data with peer then? Who cares about reliability of tiers?

tiers like CDDB or online shops?

it's the whole wikipedia vs encyclopedia question, can a crowd of non-experts produce the same quality as one expert

they are often wrong and uneditable..

which doesn't really apply here IMO since labels don't give a shit

But I wouldn't call cddb, shops, as experts :)

What shall I answer here.. agree perhaps I don't get it, I must be dumbs

well there's "no answser" :)

ok that's my option here, thanks :)

it's a pitty they put Forums and Mailing list in the same question ... I don't use the mailing list and it would have been a great occasion to compare the useage of those redundant medias

What is "notes box" in "It's important to provide guidance to editors in the notes box. " ?

is it edit notes?

mr_maxis: tghis puid system seemed great because it doesn't need songs to be time cut the same way http://chatlogs.musicbrainz.org/musicbrainz/201...

ow the calendar didn't work in Opera, man

Jesus2099: oh ok, just spreading the news ;)

thanks for the info!

nikki!

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Relationships: http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/relationshi...

"You are permitted to use the Last.fm Data solely for non-commercial purposes and for no other purpose and subject always to any limitations or conditions as advised to You by Last.fm at any time."

that doesn't seem *that* open

not really no

at least not more open than TRMs were

or PUIDs a year ago

heh

luks: by the way, ruaok indicated you had some variety of notes regarding schema changes to make classical useful

I'm hoping to take on the project of "making classical useful" at least in part; could you give me details on what you have?

I'm afraid I don't have anything

(er, make classical data on MB useful, but you know what I meant)

ah, okay

well, thanks anyway :)

What's "useful" mean? I use classical data on MBz all the time. ;)

ianmcorvidae: I have some ideas, but not much to discuss them right now

luks: hm, okay

luks: well, if you have anything feel free to send it my way here or ianmcorvidae [at ianmcorvidae.net]

andrewski: perhaps 'more useful' would be a better phrase :P

ianmcorvidae: Gotcha. :)

andrewski: cleaning it up, more complete data, fewer releases that don't have enough information to be usable

better style guide

so forth

a lot of the classical data is really screwed up; it's hard to use it in a lot of cases :)

That's a lot, but most of it is doable now, yeah?

well, yeah

Yes, a lot of it is bad.

but there's certainly some stuff that could be fixed at the schema level, which is probably where to start

Works, for example (which are upcoming! woo), would be invaluable

Yes, agreed.

but, yeah. things like the release you linked earlier are great as it stands

lol, took a bit of time for that one; I just had to point it out because it was so tedious. :P

hah, I know

I think we just need a combination of time and editors to clean it up though. It would be nice if we could remove crappy data no one has used though. >:-)

I've added... one classical release, I think? because it takes so long

yeah

JESUS2099: yes?

the calendar worked for me in opera

I'm hoping that eventually, after I'm confident in the infrastructure stuff, I can sit down and really plow through a bunch of data (maybe choose a label with a particularly-descriptive online catalog and run through their discography, or something)

While useful, I'd say it's just important to start with what you have and branch out from there.

yeah

Unless you only have one classical release? ;)

heh, well, I'm a bad bad pirate, so I tend to get lots of music without packaging or proper tags

heh

I added a release that I got from my school's library once, because, packaging

lol… any schema changes wouldn't help you there. ;)

oh, certainly not

but the plan after that would :)

the real point is there's so much to do with classical that it's going to take a while no matter what

so might as well do it right

i.e. start at the bottom

but certainly while working on this, I'll add some stuff from the school library -- improving the existing data is also good, and working on infrastructure can't happen all the time

Yeah, there's plenty that can be done without any database changes. :)

ianmcorvidae: ohh. you're the guy who added those 8bit h!p songs to the db, right?

nikki: yeah

god were those a pain

aha, so that's why your name was familiar

I'm fairly okay with them at this point

although getting all the 'cover of' relationships hasn't happened yet

but, in time

heh, yep

it's possible you commented on something else I did to... can't remember

possibly. I comment on a lot of stuff :P it was probably the h!p stuff though

oh, I know you commented on that :) there just might be more

nikki: I have a new script for opera if you want inline ISRC for each tracks

that was not what I wanted to say but I forgot what