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      • hawke_
        fatih: you can’t have multiple releaseattributes.
      • 2010-05-18 13837, 2010

      • hawke_
        Consider if Whitney Houston released an album with all her stuff from the bodyguard, plus the theme from the bodyguard.
      • 2010-05-18 13801, 2010

      • hawke_
        and then the liner notes said "Composer: Alan Silvestri" on the theme.
      • 2010-05-18 13857, 2010

      • fatih
        We're talking about LEVEL∞ (Field ver.) here
      • 2010-05-18 13802, 2010

      • hawke_
        Yes.
      • 2010-05-18 13802, 2010

      • fatih
        an instrumental version of her song
      • 2010-05-18 13804, 2010

      • hawke_
        No
      • 2010-05-18 13807, 2010

      • fatih
        yes
      • 2010-05-18 13833, 2010

      • fatih
        It's Field version of LEVEL∞
      • 2010-05-18 13802, 2010

      • hawke_
        ...Which is music from a video game and/or anime.
      • 2010-05-18 13829, 2010

      • hawke_
        In fact, the entire album is music from that
      • 2010-05-18 13834, 2010

      • hawke_
        It’s a soundtrack.
      • 2010-05-18 13839, 2010

      • hawke_
        It just also happens to be a single
      • 2010-05-18 13839, 2010

      • hawke_
        And since you can’t have multiple ReleaseAttributes...
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      • hawke_
        ...you gotta pick one.
      • 2010-05-18 13802, 2010

      • hawke_
        afk awhile
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      • hawke_
        back
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      • hawke_
        *grumble* why don’t track edits appear under release edits, like release edits appear under artist edits.
      • 2010-05-18 13834, 2010

      • nikki
        because our current edit system isn't very good :P
      • 2010-05-18 13811, 2010

      • hawke_
        Hehe
      • 2010-05-18 13811, 2010

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      • fatih
        Speaking of the edit system, there's no way to know which label this edit is for: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=12508563
      • 2010-05-18 13834, 2010

      • fatih
        And the "View aliases" link on the right shows aliases for a totally unrelated label.
      • 2010-05-18 13823, 2010

      • nikki
        ew, buggy
      • 2010-05-18 13839, 2010

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      • hawke_
        I’m looking for an opinion: Would it be unreasonable to add the items from http://sites.google.com/site/sxswtorrent/ as albums? Not that I’m going to because they’re just too huge (~1000 tracks) but curious what people think.
      • 2010-05-18 13833, 2010

      • hawke_
        hmm, and does MB allow albums with that many tracks anyway?
      • 2010-05-18 13846, 2010

      • nikki
        yes
      • 2010-05-18 13853, 2010

      • nikki
        (to the last question)
      • 2010-05-18 13816, 2010

      • navap
      • 2010-05-18 13821, 2010

      • navap
      • 2010-05-18 13824, 2010

      • navap
        hmm
      • 2010-05-18 13844, 2010

      • hawke_
        ?
      • 2010-05-18 13848, 2010

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      • navap
        That's what it says on the site.
      • 2010-05-18 13800, 2010

      • nikki
        and I'm not sure to the first, I don't know anything about it but I would probably treat it like a discography torrent and just add things separately
      • 2010-05-18 13823, 2010

      • hawke_
        navap: Shows 63 for me...
      • 2010-05-18 13835, 2010

      • navap
        Did you go to the second link?
      • 2010-05-18 13842, 2010

      • hawke_
        navap: yep
      • 2010-05-18 13830, 2010

      • navap
        Odd, if I open the page in a different browser it shows 63. But in the first browser it shows 62
      • 2010-05-18 13836, 2010

      • hawke_
        weird
      • 2010-05-18 13809, 2010

      • navap
        The home page shows 63 and all the sub pages show 62 in the first browser.
      • 2010-05-18 13839, 2010

      • hawke_
        nikki: It’s not really like a discography torrent, as it’s about a zillion different artists.
      • 2010-05-18 13850, 2010

      • hawke_
        and not even multiple albums
      • 2010-05-18 13815, 2010

      • hawke_
        Pretty much just one track per artist
      • 2010-05-18 13817, 2010

      • navap
        Then maybe the tracks belong as non-album tracks for each artist?
      • 2010-05-18 13809, 2010

      • hawke_
        Some of them might, yes.
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      • navap
        Anyone know a label with a very long name?
      • 2010-05-18 13845, 2010

      • navap
        Actually, nevermind
      • 2010-05-18 13837, 2010

      • fatih
      • 2010-05-18 13821, 2010

      • navap
        Perfect, thanks :)
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      • neothe0ne
        fatih
      • 2010-05-18 13846, 2010

      • fatih
        yes
      • 2010-05-18 13850, 2010

      • neothe0ne
      • 2010-05-18 13851, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        check the end
      • 2010-05-18 13811, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        the people who interviewed the Release Artist understand that track 6 has nothing to do with her
      • 2010-05-18 13832, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        i don't know how many japanese sites you've looked at (probably a lot), but in this case, they specifically dont list anyone for the karaoke tracks
      • 2010-05-18 13839, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        which is in line with how others, like Lantis.jp, does it
      • 2010-05-18 13824, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        i certainly don't think it's some magical coincidence they omitted credits for tracks 4-5 but found the time to do it for track 6
      • 2010-05-18 13809, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        fatih, do you think i'm wrong?
      • 2010-05-18 13814, 2010

      • fatih
        yes
      • 2010-05-18 13819, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        please tell me why
      • 2010-05-18 13831, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        they magically decided to ignore tracks 4-5, and didnt ignore track 6?
      • 2010-05-18 13851, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        while we're at it, CatCat, kuno warp
      • 2010-05-18 13858, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        i still don't know why YOU disagree either.
      • 2010-05-18 13859, 2010

      • fatih
        i've been telling you for two days
      • 2010-05-18 13807, 2010

      • fatih
        i'm not gonna repeat myself anymore
      • 2010-05-18 13816, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        and i've been telling you for two days
      • 2010-05-18 13821, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        track artist != release artist
      • 2010-05-18 13852, 2010

      • fatih
        unfortunately nobody agrees with you except hawke_
      • 2010-05-18 13804, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        jesus2099 agrees on principle
      • 2010-05-18 13810, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        brianfreud voted on false information
      • 2010-05-18 13832, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        srotta thinks theres some great japanese exception and wont touch it
      • 2010-05-18 13815, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        last i heard from warp, he said he had to listen to the song to decide
      • 2010-05-18 13823, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        i dont know if he ever did that, so i dont know why he voted no.
      • 2010-05-18 13843, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        i think it's more appropriate to say no one agrees with you except nikki
      • 2010-05-18 13847, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        (yet)
      • 2010-05-18 13859, 2010

      • fatih
        if so, your edit will be approved. you don't need to convince me.
      • 2010-05-18 13815, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        right, but CatCat and warp are ignoring me
      • 2010-05-18 13823, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        and brianfreud has not responded to 3 of us yet
      • 2010-05-18 13831, 2010

      • hawke_
        neothe0ne: At least there’s discussion this time around instead of instant vote-down. :-)
      • 2010-05-18 13843, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        yes, but you're the only vote keeping it open =\
      • 2010-05-18 13805, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        i'm particularly upset with warp because he closed the first edit without even stating why
      • 2010-05-18 13839, 2010

      • hawke_
        neothe0ne: If this one fails, you could put through a change to make it a Soundtrack as the ReleaseAttribute instead of Single (since it’s both)
      • 2010-05-18 13857, 2010

      • hawke_
        If that succeeds, Fatih should be satisfied with it using SoundtrackStyle
      • 2010-05-18 13840, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        yeah, and then someone will demand that track 1 be changed to Kenji Ito even though it's the vocalist's debut single -_-
      • 2010-05-18 13821, 2010

      • hawke_
        Nah, that one’s obviously a pop song on a soundtrack.
      • 2010-05-18 13821, 2010

      • hawke_
        ;-)
      • 2010-05-18 13845, 2010

      • hawke_
        Pretty sure you’ll find it easier to find a counter-example for that one
      • 2010-05-18 13806, 2010

      • hawke_
        Since many, many soundtracks contain pop songs that were created specifically for the soundtrack.
      • 2010-05-18 13824, 2010

      • hawke_
        e.g. the Titanic soundtrack.
      • 2010-05-18 13843, 2010

      • fatih
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      • hawke_
        lol
      • 2010-05-18 13806, 2010

      • hawke_
        Yes.
      • 2010-05-18 13855, 2010

      • hawke_
        Among others, though I doubt they all have edits, since that’s retarded.
      • 2010-05-18 13856, 2010

      • fatih
        At least we agree on this :)
      • 2010-05-18 13822, 2010

      • fatih
        There's also this edit but I don't know that track. http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=12516959
      • 2010-05-18 13828, 2010

      • hawke_
        Mostly I object to the “For music written for the soundtrack, Artist should contain the composer...” because “written for the soundtrack” is not specific (is that the composer or the lyricist?)
      • 2010-05-18 13852, 2010

      • hawke_
        Unfortunately there’s not a clear-cut way to define who’s the primary artist on a track.
      • 2010-05-18 13828, 2010

      • hawke_
        Unless you divide into (vague?) "Pop" and "classical"
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      • hawke_
        which is no better than “written for”
      • 2010-05-18 13847, 2010

      • hawke_
        Though that’s pretty much what people really care about
      • 2010-05-18 13856, 2010

      • hawke_
        pop gets the performer, classical gets the composer.
      • 2010-05-18 13810, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        there was a mailing list quagmire about this
      • 2010-05-18 13841, 2010

      • hawke_
        Maybe it needs to be brought up on the mailing list.
      • 2010-05-18 13852, 2010

      • hawke_
        So more people can argue about it. :-)
      • 2010-05-18 13813, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        i don't know where the idea of killing the Artist field is right now, but if i can't push edit #12509711 through, i back it 110%
      • 2010-05-18 13824, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        ridiculous that people will vote differently just because the release type says Single and not Soundtrack.
      • 2010-05-18 13851, 2010

      • hawke_
        I agree, Artist should go away...but only if there’s a way to get an alternative
      • 2010-05-18 13821, 2010

      • hawke_
        (e.g. marking one of the ARs as “Primary”—but that doesn’t solve the problem anyway.
      • 2010-05-18 13848, 2010

      • hawke_
        Ideally, and this is just my idea and totally not implementable in real life, each user could choose one (or more?) ARs as the primary artist, and whatever AR had the most selections would be displayed.
      • 2010-05-18 13858, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        totally implementable in real life
      • 2010-05-18 13814, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        modify picard to ask user if they want to use Vocal performance or composition as the artist
      • 2010-05-18 13831, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        it already retrieves ars
      • 2010-05-18 13834, 2010

      • hawke_
        neothe0ne: yeah, but it should be stored in MB, I think.
      • 2010-05-18 13840, 2010

      • hawke_
        To pick a default
      • 2010-05-18 13854, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        that would defeat the purpose of doing away with the artist field
      • 2010-05-18 13806, 2010

      • neothe0ne
        we'd again get into a debate of "but the release artist should be the track artist"
      • 2010-05-18 13817, 2010

      • hawke_
        Yes.
      • 2010-05-18 13827, 2010

      • hawke_
        but Picard would then do the right thing for everyone with a login
      • 2010-05-18 13836, 2010

      • hawke_
        and without a login, most of the time.
      • 2010-05-18 13821, 2010

      • hawke_
        For this example, the “KPLECRAFT and 伊藤賢治” artist would get selected twice, and “長谷川明子” would get selected four times or so...
      • 2010-05-18 13828, 2010

      • hawke_
        and for you and I using Picard to tag this, it would know we preferred the composer, and for fatih et al. it would know they preferred the performer-who-didn’t-perform-it...
      • 2010-05-18 13813, 2010

      • hawke_
        and for everyone not logged in in Picard or who had not specified a preferred AR, they’d get the 長谷川明子 as the artist tag since it was selected more by others.
      • 2010-05-18 13848, 2010

      • hawke_
        Theoretically possible in real life
      • 2010-05-18 13853, 2010

      • hawke_
        But not likely to happen.
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      • hawke_
        The only other way to do away with the artist field, would be to tell picard "always use composer" or "always use performer" which gets it wrong a lot of the time
      • 2010-05-18 13835, 2010

      • hawke_
        and you could solve it for soundtracks by giving picard a rule for the releaseattribute, but that doesn’t solve it for classical.
      • 2010-05-18 13859, 2010

      • hawke_
        (i.e. "if releaseattribute==soundtrack, artist=composer, else artist=performer"
      • 2010-05-18 13826, 2010

      • hawke_
        And if you're gonna do that, you might as well push it upstream into the style guide.
      • 2010-05-18 13852, 2010

      • hawke_
        and piss off some subset of people either way.
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