Can someone tell me which is the default IDTag version of itunes?
2010-12-08 34227, 2010
neothe0ne
for mp3, i think it'd id2v3
2010-12-08 34247, 2010
neothe0ne
i know there's an option to convert tags to id2v4 but i don't think that's default
2010-12-08 34208, 2010
matitaccia
Yeah I have seen it. So id2v4 is better than idv3 I suppose and it seems that all the idtag3 softare around use it. Now I should swicht to that in order to see all the infos that I have typed using with other software.
2010-12-08 34203, 2010
matitaccia
Damn it's such a mess itunes. All files scattered everywhere. Damn.
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neothe0ne
i don't know if you're still around matitaccia, but NOT all software supports id2v4 (correctly)
2010-12-08 34222, 2010
neothe0ne
foremost being windows (7) explorer (lol)
2010-12-08 34248, 2010
neothe0ne
also, windows media player doesnt even support the entirety of id2v3
2010-12-08 34259, 2010
neothe0ne
it actively erases title sort, artist sort, album sort, etc. tags
2010-12-08 34222, 2010
neothe0ne
got an idea
2010-12-08 34238, 2010
neothe0ne
we should change the date format on Musicbrainz from yyyy-mm-dd to yyyy.mm.dd
2010-12-08 34208, 2010
neothe0ne
because someone happens to be confused by the current overusage of hyphens
neotheone: to be fair, the label comment for "Geneon Universal" is worded oddly.
2010-12-08 34211, 2010
caller_6
I had to read it a couple times to see why you were right (in the edit notes).
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neothe0ne
@caller_6, blame jesus2099 for that
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matitaccia
neothe0ne, hello! In three nights of tag editing with 3 different programs I have understood that for what I wanted to (filling an Ipod with mp3) the only thing I had to do was to use itune for everything: music ripping, taggin' etcetera. Using other software and then see that itunes doesn't recognize thigs was a little disappointing.
2010-12-08 34206, 2010
matitaccia
That way I'm almost sure that all the infos I write in there will be reported on the fucking ipod too.
2010-12-08 34233, 2010
matitaccia
And yeah, what I didn't know is that itunes has this checkbox that permits you to assign your songs to a compilation. Which solves my issue of the "various artists classification".
2010-12-08 34213, 2010
matitaccia
It's a bit of shame though that's with all the nice stuff which is available out there for mp3 tagging I have to use itunes. But anyhow... I think it will be much more quick that way. And I need things sorted for christmas.
2010-12-08 34212, 2010
luks
well, you could have used Picard :P
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flamingspinach
lol what
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pbryan_
In NGS will works:recordings be 1:1?
2010-12-08 34205, 2010
ruaok
no
2010-12-08 34211, 2010
pbryan_
What's the relationship?
2010-12-08 34217, 2010
nikki
m:n or something
2010-12-08 34234, 2010
pbryan_
1:1 made no sense, meant 1:m.
2010-12-08 34248, 2010
luks
they are connected only using ARs
2010-12-08 34250, 2010
pbryan_
So a recording can link to more than one work?
2010-12-08 34251, 2010
nikki
works can have plenty of recordings, and in some cases recordings will have multiple works I imagine
2010-12-08 34252, 2010
luks
so m:n
2010-12-08 34258, 2010
pbryan_
Okay.
2010-12-08 34206, 2010
pbryan_
+1. :-)
2010-12-08 34235, 2010
pbryan_
Any thought to what kind of granularity works should have in classical/opera?
2010-12-08 34201, 2010
pbryan_
I'm of the mind that works should go to the level of movement.
2010-12-08 34217, 2010
pbryan_
And if a track spans multiple movements, it should link to multiple works.
2010-12-08 34219, 2010
nikki sees classical and flees
2010-12-08 34241, 2010
pbryan_
Yeah, well, I signed-up to describe works, so dove in the deep end.
2010-12-08 34250, 2010
pbryan
mb-style then? ;-)
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caller_6
pbryan: would you then have work:work relationships, like "[work/movement] is part of [work/composition]"?
2010-12-08 34232, 2010
pbryan
caller_6: That's an interesting question.
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nikki doesn't see why not
2010-12-08 34202, 2010
pbryan
In my music collection, I have each opus of classical composers as an album.
2010-12-08 34223, 2010
caller_6
there was a time when works were going to be (iirc) nestable "containers"
2010-12-08 34245, 2010
pbryan
That's going to be fun to manage. ;-)
2010-12-08 34214, 2010
pbryan
If this is true, I'd say an album of popular music is equally eligible to be a work.
2010-12-08 34222, 2010
caller_6 is interested in how this develops, will probably be a pest.
2010-12-08 34231, 2010
pbryan
work/album vs. work/song
2010-12-08 34241, 2010
pbryan
I look forward to your letters. ;-)
2010-12-08 34248, 2010
caller_6
regarding "work/album", interesting. Something like Pink Floyd's "The Wall" could be thought of as a Work. I hadn't considered that.
2010-12-08 34218, 2010
caller_6
(I know you meant it even more broadly)
2010-12-08 34210, 2010
pbryan
Yes.
2010-12-08 34223, 2010
pbryan
Also, I presume releases will be able to AR-link to works?
2010-12-08 34227, 2010
pbryan
Is this correct/
2010-12-08 34247, 2010
nikki
of course
2010-12-08 34255, 2010
nikki
not that there are any types defined
2010-12-08 34207, 2010
pbryan
Good.
2010-12-08 34214, 2010
nikki
release groups too
2010-12-08 34237, 2010
nikki
technically we can even have url-url relationships, but since that's totally useless for us, we've never had any types defined for those either ;)
2010-12-08 34246, 2010
pbryan
Yes, I was aware we could link anything to anything. I was more wondering if the intent was to allow such relationships under guidelines.
2010-12-08 34259, 2010
luks
so we are back to works/thingies? :)
2010-12-08 34212, 2010
caller_6
has there been a broader discussion about how granular musicbrainz is trying to be? complexity vs usability? it seems like the NGS must bump up against it all the time.
2010-12-08 34252, 2010
pbryan
I'm drafting an email to mb-style right now.
2010-12-08 34201, 2010
pbryan
As far as I know, no there hasn't.
2010-12-08 34216, 2010
pbryan
Maybe during NGS planning sessions.
2010-12-08 34201, 2010
pbryan
Sent to mb-style.
2010-12-08 34213, 2010
nikki
hmm... I'm not sure that albums in general make sense as works, it seems like in most cases we'd just be duplicating what we already store as releases
2010-12-08 34238, 2010
nikki
but I guess it makes more sense for those concepty albums that simon always complains are hard/annoying to enter because of all their subparts
2010-12-08 34215, 2010
pbryan
Yeah.
2010-12-08 34242, 2010
pbryan
Compilations make waaay less sense to me.
2010-12-08 34248, 2010
pbryan
Like next to zero.
2010-12-08 34257, 2010
pbryan
Is there such a thing as a concept compilation?
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kepstin
pbryan, well, I've seen compilations for things like great driving songs or the "classics go to the movies" series which take a bunch of independent songs that follow a theme and stick them together
2010-12-08 34222, 2010
kepstin is annoyed at the record label responsible for http://musicbrainz.org/show/isrc/?isrc=JPVI00703490 - from what I read in the handbook, those tracks should have had different ISRCs :/
2010-12-08 34230, 2010
kepstin
in the ISRC handbook*
2010-12-08 34236, 2010
nikki nods
2010-12-08 34238, 2010
nikki
how are they different anyway?
2010-12-08 34225, 2010
kepstin
oh, I added an annotation to one of them. the one from the '30minutes night flight' EP crossfades into the next track, the everywhere version has a proper separate ending
2010-12-08 34247, 2010
nikki
ah, I looked at the wrong one
2010-12-08 34201, 2010
kepstin
well, it's not really a crossfade; the song's written to continue directly into the next track
2010-12-08 34235, 2010
nikki
it's like last night when neo pointed out that some songs I'd linked with the earliest release relationship were remasters but they have the same isrcs ¬_¬
2010-12-08 34211, 2010
kepstin
well, most remasters you can't actually tell if they were remastered by listening to them ;)
2010-12-08 34254, 2010
nikki
but the label should know if they remastered it or not!
2010-12-08 34244, 2010
kepstin
most of the tracks on the 'everywhere' album there had changes done, enough that I added 'remaster' ARs, but they have the same ISRCs as the original, and it's not billed as having remastered tracks
2010-12-08 34244, 2010
kepstin
hmm. I guess I should clean up that japanese capitalization standard page and submit a new rfc for it, then.
2010-12-08 34210, 2010
nikki
will it replace the clarification for japanese releases page as well?
2010-12-08 34250, 2010
kepstin
If I improve the wording a bit, I think it could
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nikki nods
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kepstin
right now it only talks about english words in an otherwise japanese title
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gnu_andrew
kepstin, there are all sorts of those kind of compilations on the Virgin TV label; driving songs, BBQ songs, housework songs, etc.
2010-12-08 34206, 2010
kepstin
the question is, do these compilations gain anything by being represented as a "work" in musicbrainz, over just being a release?
i will note that most of the covers that I have seen have been new arrangements, and to get the correct 'arranger' credit on them in NGS, they would have to have their own work
2010-12-08 34204, 2010
nikki
yeah, at the moment new arrangements would need to be new works
2010-12-08 34224, 2010
nikki
but I'd like to see the arrangers left on recordings (and so would murdos)
2010-12-08 34242, 2010
nikki
at some point we're supposed to be discussing it again, but who knows when
2010-12-08 34207, 2010
kepstin
but then we don't get to share arrangers between multiple variations of a recording, like karaoke or whatever.
