or you might risk confusing people and get them cancel their own edits so some subsequent ones could get prerequisite failed :P
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xlotlu
ok, back to the 28 julian bream discs
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symphonick
xlotlu, lol Noo, I wouldn't do such a thing ;-)
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xlotlu
huh?
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xlotlu
symphonick: wouldn't confuse me or wouldn't work on julian bream? :)
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symphonick
xlotlu, both :-)
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symphonick
xlotlu, tell you the truth I haven't listened to a single piece of lute music :-(
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xlotlu
well, you're called symphonick, not pre-classical, aren't you? :)
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symphonick
True. Hmm, it doesn't really reflect I'm a Bach-fan...
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xlotlu makes a mental note to pick on bach some more
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xlotlu
(starting by never capitalising his name) :D
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symphonick
lol
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symphonick
AFK, you'll be hearing from me... ;-)
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yllona
xlotlu: and hen there's my favorite PDQ :P
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yllona is not much of a bach fan
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CatCat
[20:31] BrianG yeah.. i run into a lot of people don't know what the term liner note but know what they are without realizing the thing has a name
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CatCat
<-- i didn't know they had a name except "thingy inside cd(box) thats not a cd" before i got to musicbrainz. most of my life i knew cd's i caleldthe entire jewelcase "cd" in norwegian ofcourse
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yllona
CatCat: you made my point... exactly. now some CDs contain nothing in the jewel case (the plastc thingy)
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CatCat loves bach
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CatCat
if the cd itself contains nothign then why does that make mp3's of classical music bad? i think it is wonderful
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CatCat
and Deutsche Grammophon to boot! they are awsome
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CatCat
andyo ucan buy it even if you lieve in norway! :D
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CatCat
yaya!
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yllona
DG is fantstic label. again, i'm saying that liner notes are essential to learning about music
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CatCat
sure it is
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CatCat
1 CD / Download with PDF Booklet <--
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CatCat
thats the text
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CatCat
so you get "liner notes"
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yllona
yes, but they're not available for all the releases. and then there's the secondary issue of sound quality. increasing bit-rate on a MP3 does not necessarily increase fidelity
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yllona
but never mind.
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CatCat
pfft
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yllona
you could buy the CD, but guess not.
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CatCat
id convert it to mp3 anyway if i got a differnt filetype
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CatCat is really pleased with them using euro :)
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CatCat
but 30 nok for *one* song is to pricy :p
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yllona
why not? DG is a european label :P
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CatCat
it would have to be somethign i *really* cant get a hold of elsvere
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yllona
like i'm saying, you could buy the CD for less in most instances. only the out-of-print stuff is the true value here.
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CatCat
you said that? sorry must have slipped past me
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yllona
yeah.
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CatCat
but now i must go and finish supper
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brianfreud
[14:24] <yllona> so unless the liner notes are written by the composer (which rarely happens) -- no deal <--- Oddly, I've run into more than a few of these lately, though only free to duplicate for programs, so I didn't feel they were freely licensed enough to be usable in annotations or anything
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CatCat
bye :)
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yllona
CatCat: i've been ranting about this stuff for months and years now :P
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yllona
sorry you missed it
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yllona
you can purchase excellent recordings of classical CDs for about $6.00 USD from amazon or amazon re-sellers.
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yllona
naxos is also an extraordinary "budget" classical label
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yllona
but then again, you might have to know what you're talking about
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brianfreud
I'll be honest... I convert all my Mozart to ogg q10; but it's very very rare, given even better speakers than I own, that I can hear the difference between a 320 / APX V0 mp3 and a FLAC / CD original - and between FLAC and ogg q10, I simply cannot at all ever hear a difference
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brianfreud
that DG is putting it out in no-DRM 320 is fine for me. Just include a pdf of the liner and I'll be happy as hell. :)
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CatCat
I'm going to go and assume you're not patronising me with that comment, finnish makign my asupper and laugh becasue i foudn out Naxos when it was fsking *nEW*
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yllona
brianfreud: i can. but i "grew up" on vinyl, in a household with audiophie stero equpment
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brianfreud
yllona... I grew up on vinyl too :P
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yllona
*audiophile stereo equipment
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brianfreud
aye
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CatCat
EXUSE me for growwing up on cassette ë_ë
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brianfreud
my dad was always the type who was happy to drop 10k for speakers yllona :D
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yllona
so it's intersting to listen to vinyl again. it's a big diffrence
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brianfreud
My sense is, if I can't hear the difference between the flac and the ogg, and barely *barely* between the flac and the 320, at 30... my ears can only get worse, not better, as I get older. So I don't worry about what might be there that's lost, as I cannot hear it - or "feel" the difference even - even now.
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yllona
my favorite new classical recording is only available in SACD. there are rumors of an 180 gram vinyl release at some point in the future
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yllona
brianfreud: i understand your point, but again, listen to some vinyl if you can -- your hearing may not be as bad as you think it is.
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brianfreud
lol
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yllona
for digital recordings (and the aging process), the compression plays a large part in the inability to "hear" stuff
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brianfreud
Don't get me wrong - I think your point is valid. However, I don't think most vinyl is of the quality you might expect.
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brianfreud
A classical high $$ record from say 1975, sure. But that same record from 1985, when they were using lousy equipment to make them, and the vinyl was a lot lower quality and much flimsier...
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yllona
depends on the label (and the pressing). some labels/producers are known for the quality of their vinyl (and digital recordings)
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yllona
brianfreud: i agree, i have plenty of classical, jazz & R & B digital recordings from the '80s that sound like shit.
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brianfreud
very true. I just think it's dangerous to say "vinyl = better". I may know what you mean, and you may, but many people interpret that as "all vinyl = better"
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yllona
motown CDs from teh '80s are particularly bad
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brianfreud
aye
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brianfreud
I more look to vinyl for that which has never been rereleased, or those tracks/mixes which only made it on to vinyl by accident (wrong mix pressed, etc)
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yllona
brianfreud: by now you know what ttype of music i listen too. so i can say fo rmy music -- vinyl is better
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yllona
it's really a matter of the quality of the master tape. and tape can degrade over time. that's why you see so many "digital re-master" releases these days
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yllona
and depending on the engineer, digital re-masters can sound fantastic. that's another thing... learn teh engineers
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brianfreud
yes. Though, like I say, my interest in vinyl - or even wax and Victrola - is more in that which never has been, and most likely never will be released that way
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yllona
brianfreud: you'd be surprised at waht's being released on boutique labels, my favorite for jazz is "mosaic Records"
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yllona
just some amazing stuff.
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yllona
but very expensive
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brianfreud
I mean more like... hmmm, here, on my desk I have this: 2LP Jesus Christ Superstar, LRS records, 1972 Terra Nova High School choir and orchestra performing
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brianfreud
I think it maybe had 500 copies pressed :P
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yllona
yes, theres that too.
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yllona
and now those folks will only release via the internet. kinda sad
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yllona
if they release at all.
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yllona
as music programs have all but disappeared at US high scholls
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brianfreud
I don't know about that... The 10 or so groups when I was in college were all (and are still, for the most part) doing private pressing CDs
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brianfreud
Though yes, esp for Cali... we had to fund our own music dept and pay the musical theater and band directors out of our own pockets, as there was literally $0 in the budget
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brianfreud
(in hs that is)
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yllona
yes, colleges have a built in audience for a private pressings
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yllona
brianfreud: still very true in Cali
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brianfreud
but where there is a will, I think there will still be a way. We ourselves wanted it, so we went and hired a director, held fundraisers to refurb the instruments, etc
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yllona
even worse, the lack of musical education is starting to affect the black churches. i just had a long discussion about this with the choir director of my church
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yllona
we're finding kids that have a great "ear" for music, but they can't sight read.
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yllona
and for a larger church, with sophisticated choral arrangements -- it's a problem
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CatCat
Now grooving to: Iron Maiden ~ The Number of the Beast (4:53) (from Live After Death (disc 1)) (1985)
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brianfreud
yes, that was a problem we ran into when I was in high school too. We had to set up tutoring courses, basically the students teaching the students - I ended up teaching most of our woodwind dept how to read the music and how to finger the instruments, though outside of clarinet or sax, I had no idea how to teach an oboist or tuba player how to actually make sounds come out ;P
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yllona
brianfreud: and without the black church, the quality of R & B, and to some degree jazz, can only decline further.
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brianfreud never realized quite how much fun we had making it all work with basically no funds and only a few of us who knew how to actually play :D
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yllona
yeah, we're setting up tutoring also. but given the number of performances we have per week, scheduling is tough
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brianfreud
yes, we ran into that too. Since it wasn't school funded anymore, though the school was willing to give a credit hour if we pulled it off, we had to rent the rooms from the school district, and hold everything outside the normal day. Band was 7-10 pm TWTh, and Musical Theater was 7-10 MFSat
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brianfreud
Only thing they still had money for was Choir, and then only because there's only the part time teacher to pay, no instruments or props to fund/keep working
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yllona
yeah, im looking into augmenting some tutoring via the musicians union
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brianfreud
one other thing we did was, after 6 months or so, when we'd managed to teach most how to play and read, if not quite all how to sound decent playing (lol), we would go down to the middle and lower schools during the day to try and get the kids interested.
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yllona
and for "rehearsals" to as the union hall here in LA has six rehearsal rooms + and auditorium available really cheaply.
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brianfreud
Found after the first year that we had to start all over with the teaching, since the new kids moving up were clueless - getting them to start younger saved us some of that trouble
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yllona
that way our main church choirs can rehearse at the church without interruption, and music lessons can occur elsewhere (for now)
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brianfreud
yes. Though, all it would take to fix a lot of all that would be to drop prop... what was it, 13?
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yllona
yes, we lready have a "children's" and "youth choir"
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CatCat
Now grooving to: Iron Maiden ~ Run to the Hills (3:54) (from Live After Death (disc 2)) (1985)
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brianfreud Dave Brubeck - 'Homecoming' Jingle Bells (from "A Dave Brubeck Christmas") (03:21)
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CatCat
FauxFaux: ping
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yllona
brianfreud: yes it was Prop 13 in the '70s, but there have been others since
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Bartman007
ls
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Bartman007
doh!
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jerbear
do most people in here organize their music into subfolders? like "artist/album" or something similar?
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Shepard
I do "artist/year - album"
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AMurderofCrows
AMurderofCrows is now known as mudcrow
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mudcrow
i do artist/album
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bplatt
I have {first letter of artistsort}/artist/releasetype/album [year]/{disc n-disc title/}/
