I had a look at sound juicer earlier, but it has the same way of setting up ripping that Rhythmbox uses. Very vague.
2007-12-31 36520, 2007
creature
I can't say "I want you to use lame at 256kbps" etc to it. Or I just don't know how, one of the two.
2007-12-31 36518, 2007
creature
OK, so I want 'add release'. Does each CD of this two CD set count as a separate release, or is it one?
2007-12-31 36522, 2007
Senilix
creature: you just don't know how ;)
2007-12-31 36558, 2007
creature
Senilix: Soundjuicer also failed to impress with its inability to choose filenames of my preference. Dropdowns are not flexible enough.
2007-12-31 36519, 2007
bplatt
creature: I use soundjuicer myself, but you're right that it isn't too flexible or user friendly for file naming.
2007-12-31 36538, 2007
bplatt
I rip to a working directory, then retag and rename with Picard.
2007-12-31 36520, 2007
Senilix
creature: true. i don't trust the ripping, so i use ripit with --ripopt="-X" and the freedb gateway, then retags and renames with picard
2007-12-31 36552, 2007
Senilix
i also prefer tools i can use in a terminal :)
2007-12-31 36518, 2007
creature
This seems like a tremendous palaver.
2007-12-31 36527, 2007
creature
Picard has so far failed to impress me.
2007-12-31 36514, 2007
creature
In particular, it seems it blocks whenever it runs a web browser, which makes one aspect of its operation completely useless. I forget which - I had a shot at the getting started guide and found that to be a problem.
2007-12-31 36532, 2007
bplatt
creature: Which version of picard are you using, and which distribution are you on ?
2007-12-31 36515, 2007
creature
I am on Debian, and I am using...
2007-12-31 36535, 2007
creature
0.9.0.beta1
2007-12-31 36525, 2007
bplatt
0.9.0 final is out now, but I've not seen that blocking behavior in any of the 0.9.x releases that I tried on ubuntu.
2007-12-31 36504, 2007
Senilix
i've never seen that blocking behaviour either
2007-12-31 36549, 2007
bplatt
Did you install picard from source, or from a repository?
2007-12-31 36520, 2007
creature
From source, I believe.
2007-12-31 36537, 2007
creature
For some reason known only to itself it uses Konqueror, rather than my preferred Opera.
2007-12-31 36541, 2007
bplatt
OK, something definitely doesn't sound right there, but I'm not really sufficiently familiar to know off hand what is going on.
2007-12-31 36510, 2007
creature
brianfreud: With this release, should I really title track 2 with 'Kyrie eleison' even though the liner notes just say 'Kyrie'?
2007-12-31 36551, 2007
brianfreud
well, it seems that's a case of the liner simply not providing all the details (not unusual), not that that was somehow left out of the movement title - esp as it's still the Sussmeyer, just with orchestration and minor text changes, and that is part of the movement title in the Sussmeyer
2007-12-31 36501, 2007
creature
Does this two-disc set count as one release or two?
2007-12-31 36500, 2007
brianfreud
1 release per CD
2007-12-31 36521, 2007
petros
creature: Exactaudiocopy works under wine. Added benefit: It uses accuraterip
2007-12-31 36546, 2007
creature
There's no way I'm firing up Wine every time I want to rip a CD.
2007-12-31 36521, 2007
creature
brianfreud: What should be the title of this?
2007-12-31 36543, 2007
brianfreud
cool, Jukka added a link to my guide from the ECDX homepage! :D
2007-12-31 36524, 2007
brianfreud
Requiem in D minor, K. 626 (Orchestra feat. conductor Foo)
well, keep in mind there's not tons of tocs - we esp need them to be submitted. This release was in the db, just needed the toc for your CD :)
2007-12-31 36519, 2007
creature
Interestingly with that one the listing on the back shows 14 tracks, the disc and the booklet had 18 tracks in their listings, and the CD physically had 20 tracks.
2007-12-31 36520, 2007
creature
OK, I think I've managed to add that TOC to it.
2007-12-31 36542, 2007
brianfreud
yup, I see the toc
2007-12-31 36559, 2007
brianfreud
and actually, it's 100% identical in times to the other
2007-12-31 36524, 2007
brianfreud
prob less than 1s differences being rounded to even get to that 2s difference to the listed times
OK, so I am updating the track names. What happens when I'm done?
2007-12-31 36502, 2007
brianfreud
you enter the edits, and we vote on them
2007-12-31 36526, 2007
creature
How many votes does it need before they 'overtake' the currently listed tracks?
2007-12-31 36547, 2007
brianfreud
three, unless an autoeditor autoapproves them in, in which case they'd take effect immediately (which wouldn't be surprising here, as you've had at least 2 of us commenting/agreeing on the CSG here) :)
2007-12-31 36554, 2007
creature
Never mind, I've found the document describing it all.
2007-12-31 36512, 2007
creature
So how do I add the AR things you mention in the wiki article?
2007-12-31 36529, 2007
creature
I'd probably stand more chance if I knew what AR stood for.
2007-12-31 36533, 2007
brianfreud
lol
2007-12-31 36538, 2007
brianfreud
"advanced relationship"
2007-12-31 36513, 2007
brianfreud
you can add them per track by clicking on each track, then the "Relate to..." link. But for these, most apply to all/most tracks, so you can save time and do it easier.
2007-12-31 36526, 2007
brianfreud
in the release view, click on "Relate to..."
2007-12-31 36520, 2007
brianfreud
let's say you're adding the orchestra performance ARs. So you'd type "Academy of St Martin-in-the-Fields" in the box that pops up, then click on it in the list that comes up.
2007-12-31 36535, 2007
brianfreud
Now click on the "create relationship" button in that little box.
2007-12-31 36510, 2007
brianfreud
On the next page, you'll be at a "Relate artist to release" page. On that page, near the middle, is a link to "relate to tracks". Click on that
2007-12-31 36556, 2007
creature
That interface is pretty horrid.
2007-12-31 36504, 2007
brianfreud
Now you'll see a list of tracks with checkboxes. Check on the approprate tracks (all, in the case of this AR), select "orchestra performed" in the drop down, put a note in the notes box ("copied from liner notes" or whatever), then submit the edit
2007-12-31 36525, 2007
creature
So I leave it set to 'Artist' in the first pop-up box, and I entered 'Franz Beyer', and hit lookup, and was then told there were no results.
2007-12-31 36538, 2007
brianfreud
it's improving - doing all ARs for a classical release used to take hours, doing them track by track. Now it's much faster, doing it group of tracks at a time.
2007-12-31 36531, 2007
brianfreud
He may not be in the database yet - most likely noone's done any ARs/releases for him. So up top in the menu, open the "Add new artist" page in a separate tab, add him, then come back and try looking him up again, he'll show up then.
2007-12-31 36522, 2007
xlotlu
wha'?
2007-12-31 36539, 2007
creature
OK, I think I've managed that now.
2007-12-31 36530, 2007
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2007-12-31 36552, 2007
brianfreud
xlotlu: you're the expert on which movements of the Requiem, between Mozart and Sussmeyer, each ought to have composer or additional composer on
2007-12-31 36506, 2007
xlotlu
yeah, scrolled about
2007-12-31 36511, 2007
xlotlu
yey, i'm expert
2007-12-31 36554, 2007
xlotlu
brianfreud: there's actually gonna be any Sussmayr as composer? :)
2007-12-31 36518, 2007
brianfreud
in ARs?
2007-12-31 36535, 2007
xlotlu
ah
2007-12-31 36545, 2007
brianfreud
Beyer modified the Sussmeyer which was off the Mozart... lol
2007-12-31 36524, 2007
brianfreud
so he has Beyer addtl ARs, then Mozart and Sussmeyer as normal... but I've not yet seen your breakout for which movements each of those 2 gets composer or additional composer on :P
2007-12-31 36528, 2007
xlotlu
i know nothing about the later arrangements though
2007-12-31 36556, 2007
brianfreud
the beyer is based off the sussmeyer, so we can ignore the beyer part for the moment - he basically took the sussmeyer then messed with it
2007-12-31 36528, 2007
brianfreud
unlike some of the others... that one I mentioned with bits from other works, if anyone ever finds a recording of it, is a true mess... (Mozart original composition, then other Mozart composed works, but 2 of the "Mozart" works used are actually not Mozart, plus that completor also wrote some of his own new stuff, etc etc...)
2007-12-31 36544, 2007
xlotlu
:| i wanna see all the relationships in the listing
2007-12-31 36506, 2007
xlotlu
and wine effect is starting to wear off
2007-12-31 36556, 2007
brianfreud
well, which movements would you list Mozart as composer, and which would you list Sussmeyer?
2007-12-31 36504, 2007
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2007-12-31 36515, 2007
brianfreud
based on what you were saying the other day
2007-12-31 36522, 2007
creature
I tried to cancel an edit, but did someone un-cancel it?
2007-12-31 36524, 2007
creature
Can people do that?
2007-12-31 36538, 2007
brianfreud
no
2007-12-31 36510, 2007
Senilix
creature: edits are not cancelled right away.. they're marked as “To be cancelled” for some time first
2007-12-31 36550, 2007
creature
Hah at this gag about a piano: "It's filthy in here. Where did you get it?" "It's had one lady owner. Said she only used it for Chopin."
2007-12-31 36553, 2007
xlotlu
brianfreud: definitely for sanctus / benedictus / agnus dei
2007-12-31 36532, 2007
brianfreud
xlotlu: would you then list Mozart as "additional composer" for those 3?
2007-12-31 36536, 2007
xlotlu
brianfreud: lux aeterna is also 100% his doing, but it's reiterating through mozart's pieces
2007-12-31 36544, 2007
xlotlu
brianfreud: yup
2007-12-31 36513, 2007
xlotlu
brianfreud: but only because there were supposedly "notes".. the never-proven ones
2007-12-31 36519, 2007
creature
OK. How do I add an annotation note?
2007-12-31 36552, 2007
brianfreud
would you give Sussmeyer an additional composer credit for the Introitus - Domine Jesu? (And I thought the Hostias was also based on fragments?)
2007-12-31 36527, 2007
brianfreud
creature: the Edit link in the annotation (the white box above the orange bar)
2007-12-31 36504, 2007
xlotlu
yey. more wine
2007-12-31 36551, 2007
xlotlu
brianfreud: i wouldn't go that far with the beginning part
2007-12-31 36557, 2007
creature
Ah, I was on the wrong page, it seems.
2007-12-31 36540, 2007
xlotlu
brianfreud: domine jesu & hostias definitely additionally composed
2007-12-31 36506, 2007
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2007-12-31 36541, 2007
xlotlu
brianfreud: the entire sequenz is somewhere in between additionally composed and orchestrated
2007-12-31 36547, 2007
ruaok
Senilix: thanks for signing up for a recurring donation!
2007-12-31 36555, 2007
xlotlu
except for the lacrimosa of course
2007-12-31 36533, 2007
brianfreud
xlotlu: yeah... at some point, it'd be nice if we could add something to the Mozart list giving the breakdown for how each of the two ought to be correctly AR'd for each movement of 626
2007-12-31 36538, 2007
xlotlu
brianfreud: but intoitus & kyrie something like arranged..
2007-12-31 36528, 2007
creature
Well, that's ridiculous.
2007-12-31 36530, 2007
Senilix
ruaok: just a small thanks for a great service to the internet community ;)
2007-12-31 36538, 2007
ruaok
:-)
2007-12-31 36539, 2007
xlotlu
brianfreud: at some point it would be nice if this with its composition-related ARs would be a "meta-release", and the actual releases would extend it with the performer ARs :)
2007-12-31 36505, 2007
brianfreud
agreed, but I think generic work lists may be quite a ways off still :)
2007-12-31 36508, 2007
creature
I click 'Edit Release Events', remove the year from an existing event, then realise I didn't want to do that and click 'Cancel'. Then the Javascript validation kicks in and tells me that each event must have a year.
2007-12-31 36546, 2007
creature
Right, I think I'm finally done with that CD.
2007-12-31 36501, 2007
creature
So now I have the same fun with disc 1, only that's not in the DB at all.
Kerensky97: I don;t think the times will carry over
2007-12-31 36527, 2007
Kerensky97
Well than I'll fix them now. I still need to move the album artist over to "Hello!Project" anyways.
2007-12-31 36504, 2007
Kerensky97
there, times done.
2007-12-31 36516, 2007
Kerensky97
Oh, and another one. I need some yes votes (5 I think) to unlock this album so I can overhaul about 5 tracks worth of ARs then button it back up to high level. I'm actually not sure if track ARs fall under the album quality rules, but if they do then the alternative is about 10-15 edits that will need 5 votes to pass rather than the normal 3. So I figure it's better to just drop the quality down to default for a few hours.
Now grooving to: Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky ~ Act II, No. 10 Scène: The Enchanted Palace of the Kingdom of Sweets (4:10) (from The Nutcracker (The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra, Vladimir Ashkenazy)) (1892)
2007-12-31 36516, 2007
CatCat
:D
2007-12-31 36513, 2007
brianfreud
lol... why the accent in Scene? :P
2007-12-31 36529, 2007
CatCat
becasue that is the way it is in the naxos recording
2007-12-31 36518, 2007
CatCat
i had to go back and change it in mb again, since some joker had messed with it
