I do declare that that's enough merge edits for today.
2007-09-14 25705, 2007
Aankh|Clone
Aankh|Clone is now known as Aankhen``
2007-09-14 25755, 2007
ruaok deflects another hiring attempt by google
2007-09-14 25701, 2007
ruaok
grr.
2007-09-14 25712, 2007
FauxFaux
Did they start sending hookers yet?
2007-09-14 25732, 2007
ruaok
I think they send just about everything but that.
2007-09-14 25737, 2007
CatCat
ruaok: whats happening?
2007-09-14 25749, 2007
FauxFaux
Google are being cheap. :p
2007-09-14 25754, 2007
ruaok
I'm just answering emails...
2007-09-14 25712, 2007
yllona
ruaok: feeling better? got time for a quick chat?
2007-09-14 25723, 2007
CatCat pets ru and gives chocolate
2007-09-14 25737, 2007
ruaok
gimme a few more minutes to catch up, then I'm game. and yes, feeling much better than yesterday, thanks.
2007-09-14 25755, 2007
CatCat
thats good
2007-09-14 25756, 2007
brianfreud
hmmm, this is interesting...
2007-09-14 25722, 2007
brianfreud
two CDs that actually verify as being different from each other, but have identical times and track counts
2007-09-14 25748, 2007
yllona
FauxFaux: google is notoriously cheap for recent hires, any stock options will essentially be useless during the current vesting period -- and salaries are just *okay* not great
2007-09-14 25750, 2007
ruaok
brianfreud: unless the TOCs are exact they are different.
2007-09-14 25700, 2007
ruaok
even if a human can't tell at first glance
2007-09-14 25705, 2007
brianfreud
the CDs themselves were released 3 years apart
2007-09-14 25730, 2007
brianfreud
and the first 14 tracks are different - but every single track has an identical length
brianfreud: yikes wouldn't it be easier just to e-mail the professor at cornell and get the actual details?
2007-09-14 25704, 2007
brianfreud
I doubt it - college accapella group, and we're looking at releases by two different versions of the group, all members of which would have by now graduated
2007-09-14 25722, 2007
brianfreud
1996 and 1999 releases, so the last of those members would have graduated a few years ago
2007-09-14 25732, 2007
yllona
for one the composer listed at http://xrl.us/5453 aren't entirely correct'
2007-09-14 25704, 2007
yllona
brianfreud: that's why i said professor, but should have added musical director at cornell
2007-09-14 25745, 2007
brianfreud
well, worth a shot, but my experience with the same types of groups at Hopkins, we all ran independant of any professors/music directors
2007-09-14 25757, 2007
yllona
brianfreud: true
2007-09-14 25721, 2007
brianfreud
we ran into the same problem back then, with basically all institutional memory being lost when we tried to go further back than we had old programs for
2007-09-14 25754, 2007
brianfreud
lol, hell, I'm not listed myself in some of the groups' old membership lists on the current pages :D
2007-09-14 25740, 2007
brianfreud
ah well, I'll ignore these - hopefully someone one day still has the CD and can provide a toc
2007-09-14 25747, 2007
yllona
brianfreud: i agree, but what's included in the MB entry? the student group or the source material?
2007-09-14 25707, 2007
brianfreud
the student group's releases
2007-09-14 25740, 2007
yllona
so these are covers?
2007-09-14 25743, 2007
brianfreud
yes
2007-09-14 25753, 2007
brianfreud
it's a college acapella group
2007-09-14 25712, 2007
yllona
are we sure that they're using the arrangements listed on the recordings listed?
2007-09-14 25749, 2007
yllona
because this would be an issue on the R & B , and esp. jazz recordings
2007-09-14 25752, 2007
brianfreud
typically college acapella groups do their own arrangements
2007-09-14 25733, 2007
brianfreud
they'll meet at the beginnning of the year, decide on 10 or 20 songs for that year, and assign them out for a few smaller groups of people/person to arrange for the group
2007-09-14 25747, 2007
yllona
okay, then why list the poular recordings... i'm just not getting it? what can you verify except track name & composer? some of which are incorrect?
2007-09-14 25755, 2007
brianfreud
no
2007-09-14 25739, 2007
brianfreud
I was doing a dupe check - these two popped up and struck me as odd in that they have identical numbers of tracks, with identical times for each track - but are verifiably different releases
2007-09-14 25754, 2007
yllona
ah, okay. i understand
2007-09-14 25721, 2007
brianfreud
now both being freedb imports, my guess is that the times for one are actually the times for the other
2007-09-14 25752, 2007
brianfreud
most likely, some kid at Cornell imported one or both, but forgot to switch the actual CDs when s/he was importing them to freedb
2007-09-14 25710, 2007
yllona
heres' an example: mercy, mercy me is composed by marvin gay. so the name listed on the classnotes site is the arranger for the student group?
2007-09-14 25728, 2007
yllona
*marvin gaye
2007-09-14 25721, 2007
brianfreud
well, just guessing, but the "Marvin Gaye (Ken/Andre)" listing for the groups I was in would have indicated marvin gaye as the original composer, but "ken" and "andre" as the arrangers of their particular version
2007-09-14 25717, 2007
brianfreud
I'd have to see the actual liner notes to see just what that meant for that particular group, but those are pretty much the standards for Varsity Vocals listings
also an example why these have to be interpreted a little - "percussion" here is a vocal type, not actual "percussion" instruments
2007-09-14 25757, 2007
yllona
brianfreud: we don't have a "vocal percussion" AR?
2007-09-14 25714, 2007
yllona
and yes, thanks for the interpretation
2007-09-14 25715, 2007
brianfreud
:P
2007-09-14 25757, 2007
brianfreud
somehow, I think describing/defining beatbox acapella vocal percussion would be even more slippery than defining "rap" vocals :P
2007-09-14 25704, 2007
ruaok
warp: you up for helping someone with a minor MB issue?
2007-09-14 25715, 2007
yllona
brianfreud: except there's a long standing tradition in jazz to bak it up. obvious and (relatively) recent examples -- think early Al Jarreau or Bobby McFerrin
2007-09-14 25742, 2007
brianfreud
yes, that'd be my guess too - an evolution from the skat tradition
2007-09-14 25751, 2007
yllona
the same forr R & B (doo-wop)
2007-09-14 25755, 2007
yllona
brianfreud: you are correct, scat and "vocal percussion" are lateral nodes on the tree
2007-09-14 25703, 2007
brianfreud
yes, Bobby McFerrin is perhaps the best known for the same kind of thing. I'm not really aware of many mainstream acapella groups doing that kind of thing outside of colleges, though perhaps Boys II Men comes pretty close
2007-09-14 25755, 2007
yllona
brianfreud: i would argue that vocal percussion precedes scat by a couple of centuries :P
2007-09-14 25707, 2007
brianfreud
:P
2007-09-14 25748, 2007
yllona
the definitive a capella group for gospel / R & B crossover would be "Take Six", and let's not forget "Sweet Honey in teh Rock" :)
2007-09-14 25759, 2007
warp
ruaok: sure.
2007-09-14 25711, 2007
ruaok
coming right up.
2007-09-14 25712, 2007
ruaok
thanks
2007-09-14 25731, 2007
nullptr
wah
2007-09-14 25740, 2007
brianfreud
have to admit, I don't know either - gospel, and that whole side of R&B, not really my thing...
2007-09-14 25753, 2007
nullptr
brianfreud: i still have Fight Club splitting into 3 releases, can you recommend me a setting where it should work better
2007-09-14 25755, 2007
nullptr
?
2007-09-14 25704, 2007
brianfreud
which % are you playing with?
2007-09-14 25707, 2007
nullptr
i'm not sure i even fully understand the percentages
2007-09-14 25713, 2007
nullptr
let me see so i can tell you
2007-09-14 25732, 2007
nullptr
90 / 40 / 80 / 40 %
2007-09-14 25719, 2007
brianfreud
Mine's pretty similar - 85/50/50/75
2007-09-14 25752, 2007
brianfreud
I still get some bad VA matching, but enough non-VA that I still normally get the non-VA listing and can move the other tracks over
2007-09-14 25716, 2007
nullptr
hmm
2007-09-14 25734, 2007
nullptr
well for some reason
2007-09-14 25737, 2007
nullptr
it put the track:
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nullptr
track # 7, "Hessel, Raymond K."
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nullptr
into a separate release
2007-09-14 25705, 2007
nullptr
but i can see no reason -- track length is identical to the version in all the other releaes
2007-09-14 25707, 2007
tolsen joined the channel
2007-09-14 25717, 2007
nullptr
and the file naming is consistent with the rest of the tracks from this album
2007-09-14 25721, 2007
nullptr
and so on
2007-09-14 25742, 2007
nullptr
only thing i can think of is PUID mismatch or PUID-whatever-that-would-mean-here
2007-09-14 25745, 2007
brianfreud
yeah, I'm not quite sure how picard decides which release to use when each match is at 100%
2007-09-14 25719, 2007
tolsen has quit
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warp
ruaok: i think he figured it out already, but i've replied to the mail.
2007-09-14 25706, 2007
warp uses 50/70/80/2
2007-09-14 25700, 2007
warp
nullptr: if you put the last one on 2%, it will be happy with just having the track number in the file, useful for tagging stuff named 01.mp3, 02.mp3, 03.mp3, etc...
2007-09-14 25737, 2007
nullptr
hmm
2007-09-14 25742, 2007
nullptr
warp: ok thanks let me try
2007-09-14 25719, 2007
nullptr
also
2007-09-14 25730, 2007
nullptr
it fails to find a PUID on a _different file *each* time_
2007-09-14 25746, 2007
warp
i don't use puids, so know nothing about them.
2007-09-14 25700, 2007
nullptr
still matches out into 3 releases
2007-09-14 25717, 2007
nullptr
just split up differently now
2007-09-14 25718, 2007
warp
is that because of the puids?
2007-09-14 25726, 2007
nullptr
i'm not sure
2007-09-14 25738, 2007
nullptr
i'm checking where and if i can disable them
2007-09-14 25757, 2007
nullptr
well using clustering and manual DND over to the right side works of course
2007-09-14 25708, 2007
nullptr
now that the last threshold is at 2%
2007-09-14 25717, 2007
nullptr
not sure i should need to manually put them there, though
or maybe i'm not getting how to use the app without PUIDs
2007-09-14 25701, 2007
aCiD2 has quit
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warp
nullptr: if you get them clustered on the left side, you can drag the cluster to the album on the right side.
2007-09-14 25718, 2007
warp
nullptr: if you don't have the clustered on the left side, you can still select all the files of the album from unclustered, and drag that selection to the album on the right side in one go.
