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      • MrPloddy29 has quit
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      • copper
        whaaat? You don't suffer from the Not Invented Here syndrom?
      • 2007-09-07 25051, 2007

      • ojnkpjg
        i don't much care what the thing is written in if it keeps me from having to boot windows to rip the cds
      • 2007-09-07 25057, 2007

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      • ojnkpjg
        copper, i used to
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      • ojnkpjg
        but i don't have the spare time i used to do enable it anymore
      • 2007-09-07 25032, 2007

      • copper
        I hear you :)
      • 2007-09-07 25037, 2007

      • ojnkpjg longs for the days of blowing off college classes to work on other stuff
      • 2007-09-07 25028, 2007

      • canidae
        ojnkpjg: hmm, i'm still not sure with "paranoia doesn't do gap detection". i google like a hero, but you appear to be the only in the world who talk about it :s
      • 2007-09-07 25056, 2007

      • ojnkpjg
        canidae, it ought not affect the rip
      • 2007-09-07 25001, 2007

      • ojnkpjg
        but i'd like it around in a cuesheet
      • 2007-09-07 25016, 2007

      • ojnkpjg
        the default in EAC is to append the gap to the previous track
      • 2007-09-07 25023, 2007

      • ojnkpjg
        which is what happens, anyway, if the software does nothing
      • 2007-09-07 25033, 2007

      • CatCat
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      • copper
        it's not just the default in EAC
      • 2007-09-07 25052, 2007

      • copper
        CDDA specs say the beginning of a track is at INDEX 01
      • 2007-09-07 25007, 2007

      • ojnkpjg
        right
      • 2007-09-07 25013, 2007

      • copper
        thus it makes sense to "append the gap to the previous track" :P
      • 2007-09-07 25014, 2007

      • CatCat
        please!
      • 2007-09-07 25030, 2007

      • ojnkpjg
        which is why it's what happens if the software is completely unaware of gaps
      • 2007-09-07 25035, 2007

      • copper
        yup
      • 2007-09-07 25038, 2007

      • ojnkpjg
        or if you choose not to detect them
      • 2007-09-07 25050, 2007

      • CatCat
        am i invisible or something?
      • 2007-09-07 25052, 2007

      • ojnkpjg
        it's just info i'd like to have without having to pull the cd out again
      • 2007-09-07 25055, 2007

      • copper
        "gaps" are really just INDEX 00
      • 2007-09-07 25059, 2007

      • ojnkpjg
        yeah
      • 2007-09-07 25005, 2007

      • CatCat
        tydligvis
      • 2007-09-07 25014, 2007

      • CatCat
        asshats
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      • copper
        lol
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      • ojnkpjg
        i guess he really doesn't want to hear about cdda
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      • canidae
        doesn't seem so :s
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      • copper
        ojnkpjg: you can always just run 'cdrdao read-toc' to generate a .toc file, and then convert it
      • 2007-09-07 25057, 2007

      • copper
        there's cueconvert, toc2cue...
      • 2007-09-07 25013, 2007

      • MrPloddy29` has quit
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      • copper
        depending on the driver you select, it will take more or less time, detect ISRCs, etc...
      • 2007-09-07 25044, 2007

      • copper
        (even CD-Text)
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      • ojnkpjg
        copper, yeah, i was playing with that last night
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      • ojnkpjg
        i didn't know it could do that until then
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      • stochasticism has quit
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      • ojnkpjg
        there are a bunch of different pieces of software that all do bits that others don't
      • 2007-09-07 25039, 2007

      • ojnkpjg
        i found a lot more good info/code than i expected to
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      • ojnkpjg
        which goes to show how long it's been since i last looked into this sort of thing
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      • copper
        if I'm not mistaken, what's lacking is good C2 handling, right?
      • 2007-09-07 25023, 2007

      • ojnkpjg
        i think so
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      • ojnkpjg
        and a good way to defeat caching
      • 2007-09-07 25005, 2007

      • ojnkpjg
        haven't looked much into that, though
      • 2007-09-07 25041, 2007

      • CatCat
        why do peopel add a boguscover art url when ther is already a workign amazon ar?
      • 2007-09-07 25008, 2007

      • FauxFaux
        Please check that the type named in this '#define' occupies exactly four bytes on your system: ``#define INT32 long'' If it's not correct, please edit 'fstrcmp.h' and fix it before continuing with 'make'. <-- /me hurts people.
      • 2007-09-07 25033, 2007

      • copper
        ojnkpjg: that's gotta be somewhat low level stuff though?
      • 2007-09-07 25013, 2007

      • ojnkpjg
        yeah
      • 2007-09-07 25019, 2007

      • ojnkpjg
        i downloaded all the mmc specs last night
      • 2007-09-07 25032, 2007

      • ojnkpjg
        going to try to find a time to read/skim them
      • 2007-09-07 25005, 2007

      • copper
        holy fucking crap. Why do people make web pages that weigh over a megabyte? http://www.pioneerunit.com/
      • 2007-09-07 25035, 2007

      • copper
        I hate those excessively long 'blog' pages
      • 2007-09-07 25021, 2007

      • copper
        CatCat: and now I resent you a little for making me visit that URI
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      • CatCat
        they copied a butload in ot the annotation too
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      • CatCat
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      • CatCat
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      • CatCat
        i dont know what top do with it
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      • CatCat
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      • CatCat
        i dont know anythign abotu cc licenses
      • 2007-09-07 25056, 2007

      • copper goes back to pretending CatCat is invisible
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      • CatCat
        thats irresponisble of you, this is serious
      • 2007-09-07 25027, 2007

      • CatCat
        its bogus data in the database
      • 2007-09-07 25046, 2007

      • copper
        lol
      • 2007-09-07 25036, 2007

      • outsidecontext
        catcat: that cc license seems to be only for the cover art
      • 2007-09-07 25042, 2007

      • outsidecontext
        stupid
      • 2007-09-07 25017, 2007

      • CatCat
        i dont understand hiow it works
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      • CatCat
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      • outsidecontext
        catcat: i think we can't just add the coverart. he could add the link with the CC license to the wiki (a permission for just one image?)
      • 2007-09-07 25009, 2007

      • CatCat
        yes
      • 2007-09-07 25014, 2007

      • outsidecontext
        i wonder why the cover art link he added doesn't work. i think direct links used to work
      • 2007-09-07 25016, 2007

      • CatCat
        so my gut instinc ot vote o is right
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      • outsidecontext
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      • dekarl
        Hello, I could use some votes for "reorder tracks instead of renaming" for this release http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/?releaseid=32… the discussion is here http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=7465782
      • 2007-09-07 25008, 2007

      • outsidecontext
        catcat: i tend to use yes in this case.
      • 2007-09-07 25018, 2007

      • outsidecontext
        use = vote
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      • CatCat
        [18:34] outsidecontext i vote at least no on http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=7429248 <-- then what do you mean whit that?
      • 2007-09-07 25027, 2007

      • CatCat
        Reason: Error reading from remote server!!!
      • 2007-09-07 25032, 2007

      • CatCat
        D:
      • 2007-09-07 25032, 2007

      • outsidecontext
        catcat: that CC link is completely nonsense. that is not CC licensed music, only the cover art is. he meant that as a permission for the artwork
      • 2007-09-07 25046, 2007

      • outsidecontext
        but http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=7429195 is together with this permission an interesting problem
      • 2007-09-07 25039, 2007

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      • FauxFaux
        CatCat: Give me two minutes, just poking something.
      • 2007-09-07 25007, 2007

      • CatCat
        okidoki
      • 2007-09-07 25014, 2007

      • FauxFaux
        By which, I mean, I broke it by accident and I don't know how. :p
      • 2007-09-07 25021, 2007

      • CatCat
        :P
      • 2007-09-07 25027, 2007

      • CatCat
        warn me next time
      • 2007-09-07 25056, 2007

      • CatCat
        outsidecontext: true, this sure is an interesting issue
      • 2007-09-07 25003, 2007

      • CatCat
        we need to ask ruaok about it
      • 2007-09-07 25027, 2007

      • ruaok
        too bad ruaok is still sleeping. :-(
      • 2007-09-07 25028, 2007

      • outsidecontext
        i think so. is he already around?
      • 2007-09-07 25055, 2007

      • CatCat
        he's back from burnign man, yes
      • 2007-09-07 25001, 2007

      • CatCat
        hei ruaok
      • 2007-09-07 25012, 2007

      • outsidecontext
        :D
      • 2007-09-07 25010, 2007

      • outsidecontext
        maybe ruaok wakes up soon
      • 2007-09-07 25014, 2007

      • CatCat
        i hope so
      • 2007-09-07 25017, 2007

      • brianfreud
        on the coverart one (not the cc edit), ru had said as long as the art was specifically specified as cc (or some other type of permission), a direct link was ok, but we needed to track that permission
      • 2007-09-07 25022, 2007

      • CatCat
        :)
      • 2007-09-07 25032, 2007

      • CatCat
        but he needs his sleep so, :)
      • 2007-09-07 25052, 2007

      • outsidecontext
        for sure.
      • 2007-09-07 25054, 2007

      • brianfreud
        I'd suggested at the time a subpage to CoverArtSites to track that, but we didn't actually have any such then to put on it
      • 2007-09-07 25001, 2007

      • brianfreud
        might be time to make that page
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      • outsidecontext
        brianfreud: ok. then we have our first case
      • 2007-09-07 25016, 2007

      • brianfreud
        yes
      • 2007-09-07 25034, 2007

      • brianfreud
        unless someone else wants to do it, I can throw together the subpage and such
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      • outsidecontext
        brianfreud: if you want to do so :-)
      • 2007-09-07 25012, 2007

      • FauxFaux
        CatCat: Really really broken. :p
      • 2007-09-07 25017, 2007

      • CatCat
        :(
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      • ruaok
        moin everyone.
      • 2007-09-07 25020, 2007

      • ruaok
        I've got a call in a minute... but I'll jump in after that
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      • CatCat
        i gotta jump in the shower, see yas later for a bit
      • 2007-09-07 25009, 2007

      • brianfreud
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      • outsidecontext
        brianfreud: great
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      • brianfreud
        feels a bit hacky though - long term, if this becomes popular among artists, perhaps a "has cc coverart at" sub-AR would be better
      • 2007-09-07 25023, 2007

      • outsidecontext
        yes, would be better to put that somewhere in the relationship
      • 2007-09-07 25026, 2007

      • outsidecontext
        i think this will still only work for single images
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      • brianfreud
        yes
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      • outsidecontext
        for sites like Jamendo we need some other permission because of the bandwidth
      • 2007-09-07 25011, 2007

      • brianfreud
        that's why I specified the page was only for specific release license tracking
      • 2007-09-07 25022, 2007

      • brianfreud
        the parent's still where we ought to be tracking site permissions
      • 2007-09-07 25040, 2007

      • outsidecontext
        brianfreud: but the cover art does still not work. seems to be a bug
      • 2007-09-07 25004, 2007

      • brianfreud
        I've been seeing that frequently recently with archive ones too
      • 2007-09-07 25016, 2007

      • FauxFaux
        Morenmoren.
      • 2007-09-07 25017, 2007

      • brianfreud
        no grey box, just the "has coverart at ..." text
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      • outsidecontext
        maybe it was intorduced with the last changes for Jamendo cover art
      • 2007-09-07 25004, 2007

      • outsidecontext searches the bug list
      • 2007-09-07 25040, 2007

      • FauxFaux
      • 2007-09-07 25058, 2007

      • FauxFaux
        Doesn't quite form as perfect'er pyramid as I'd hoped.
      • 2007-09-07 25026, 2007

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      • outsidecontext
        somebody knows a release with cd-baby cover art?
      • 2007-09-07 25006, 2007

      • brianfreud
        noticed a pattern of duplicate artists earlier
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      • brianfreud
        People using "Senator So and So", "Vice President So and So", "President So and So", etc
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      • yllona
        outsidecontext: here's a release with CD baby URLs, incl cover art: http://musicbrainz.org/show/release/relationships…
      • 2007-09-07 25019, 2007

      • outsidecontext
        yllona: thanks
      • 2007-09-07 25006, 2007

      • dholmes
        What does one do when the language for an album isn't on the list?
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      • FauxFaux
        Bug report the language list.
      • 2007-09-07 25009, 2007

      • dholmes
        Okay. It seems that if that was effective, though, somebody would have added "Latin" already
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      • brianfreud
        I think it's on the long list...