btw, the french version of "in the mood for love" was entered with the dialogue tracks assigned to the track artists to begin with
2007-11-17 32125, 2007
foolip
which is how it appears on the cover, if I'm not mistaken
2007-11-17 32147, 2007
brianfreud
what is on the liner is inconsequential though.
2007-11-17 32103, 2007
foolip
should anyone come along and change those to [dialogue] they would certainly get a no vote from me, with anything less than an official guideline to support it
2007-11-17 32121, 2007
brianfreud
yes, but you changed them FROM dialogue as an autoedit
2007-11-17 32116, 2007
brianfreud
on the basis that they are monologues, and thus not dialogues, thus changing to performer...
2007-11-17 32100, 2007
foolip
that I do not deny
2007-11-17 32110, 2007
brianfreud
but the premise there is flawedc
2007-11-17 32118, 2007
brianfreud
a monologue IS a dialogue
2007-11-17 32135, 2007
foolip
that may be the case, but that's not what we've been discussing here
2007-11-17 32146, 2007
foolip
so what do you think should be done?
2007-11-17 32102, 2007
ojnkpjg
settle it with violence
2007-11-17 32143, 2007
brianfreud
yes, but you changed it from what is the agreed standard for soundtracks, and just here said " <foolip> should anyone come along and change those to [dialogue] they would certainly get a no vote from me, with anything less than an official guideline to support it" - hence preventing autoediting it back, as there is dissent, even if that autoedit would revert the autoedit you made on flawed logic
2007-11-17 32103, 2007
foolip
since there is no guideline, I would expect no votes from those that do not agree
2007-11-17 32112, 2007
brianfreud
you miss my point...
2007-11-17 32117, 2007
foolip
I do
2007-11-17 32127, 2007
foolip
come again?
2007-11-17 32144, 2007
foolip
are we talking about being an auto-editor or about soundtrack/score/compilation style here?
2007-11-17 32152, 2007
brianfreud
You changed it without a vote. Now you say if someone wants to fix it back to the agreed standard, it has to go through a vote, and you will challenge that vote.
2007-11-17 32136, 2007
brianfreud
Mostly the latter - but in terms of autoeditor, you autoedited it away from the standard. If I autoedit it back, I break the rules, as you dissent. So, I have to put it to a vote, and you're saying you will challenge that vote.
2007-11-17 32136, 2007
drsaunde
ojnkpjg: LMAO
2007-11-17 32137, 2007
foolip
no, I'm saying that if someone had changed the OTHER version which was already credited to Jackie Leung, then I would vote no
2007-11-17 32111, 2007
foolip
had I been aware of the issues at large I would not have made those autoedits
2007-11-17 32118, 2007
foolip
I could revert one of them and make a non-auto-edit, and them change the rest according to the outcome
2007-11-17 32129, 2007
foolip
what would you prefer?
2007-11-17 32105, 2007
bplatt has to run off for a bit
2007-11-17 32114, 2007
foolip
I'm not looking for an edit-war or any other kinds of wars
2007-11-17 32115, 2007
brianfreud
I'd prefer it revert to the accepted standard, but I think if you really want to debate this, style is the right place, not an edit that may or may not be noticed by those who deal with soundtracks
2007-11-17 32151, 2007
ojnkpjg
do you know what's not smart?
2007-11-17 32100, 2007
ojnkpjg
making incremental backups over about 550 dvds
2007-11-17 32105, 2007
ojnkpjg
and not keeping track on what's on any of the discs
2007-11-17 32109, 2007
ojnkpjg
and then having a hard disk go
2007-11-17 32110, 2007
foolip
is this a defacto standard, or what parts of this is in fact mandated by an official guideline?
2007-11-17 32115, 2007
ojnkpjg
and trying to figure out where the data you need is :/
2007-11-17 32123, 2007
drsaunde
DOH
2007-11-17 32131, 2007
brianfreud
foolip, basically? 8 years of "this is how it's done"
2007-11-17 32142, 2007
brianfreud
ojnkpjg: ouch
2007-11-17 32156, 2007
ojnkpjg
i'm down to the low 100s!
2007-11-17 32113, 2007
brianfreud
as for an official guideline, as said, the closest there is is "composer is performer (by the long-time-now soundtrackstyle proposal)", so [dialogue] picks up where there is no such composer, to avoid the exact same mess/issues that using performers would otherwise cause - see my above 10 name example
2007-11-17 32135, 2007
brianfreud
*s/"composer is performer"/"composer is artist"
2007-11-17 32100, 2007
foolip
composer is performer, except if the track is music and there is someone singing?
there are quite a few soundtracks where a well-known artist sang a song (and also released it themselves), so they're not always credited to the composer
2007-11-17 32122, 2007
brianfreud
MClemo: I don't know the release, but that does look wrong...
CSG has this same problem, but whereas the "rock meets classical" (ELP / Mussorgsky, for example) issue is minor in the % of classical releases, that same type of issue comes up all the time in soundtracks - all of these are examples of that same problem
2007-11-17 32145, 2007
foolip
but to force everything that happens to be called a soundtrack into the same mould and not allowing the most natural credits even when the artists are all in the database...
2007-11-17 32112, 2007
drsaunde
Walk the Line is the same as the Dylan biopic I mentioned earlier
2007-11-17 32121, 2007
drsaunde
or the Joy Division movie soundtrack
2007-11-17 32127, 2007
MClemo
I was just confused by the "composer as artists for soundtracks, not the performers" thing
2007-11-17 32144, 2007
brianfreud
The Doors, The Richie Halen Story (or whatever the guy who died in the plane crash's name was), etc
2007-11-17 32102, 2007
brianfreud
MClemo: you found a perfect example of that messy middle area
2007-11-17 32140, 2007
drsaunde
*Valens
2007-11-17 32146, 2007
brianfreud
thanks :)
2007-11-17 32148, 2007
brianfreud
some of them get even worse, with musical theater shows reusing old jazz standards
2007-11-17 32113, 2007
foolip has quit
2007-11-17 32136, 2007
foolip joined the channel
2007-11-17 32154, 2007
drsaunde also highly recommends the soundtracks for "Control" and "I'm Not There"
2007-11-17 32115, 2007
foolip
so I will revert the first of those edits, redo it as a normal edit and post a pointer to the style mailing list
2007-11-17 32121, 2007
foolip
would that be acceptable?
2007-11-17 32124, 2007
brianfreud
ok
2007-11-17 32101, 2007
brianfreud
what about multiple track style on track 11?
2007-11-17 32111, 2007
foolip
I accept that I can't always have it my way, but I can try at least.
2007-11-17 32118, 2007
brianfreud
lol
2007-11-17 32123, 2007
MClemo
Now playing: "Pumpkin and Honey Bunny (dialogue: Tim Roth & Amanda Plummer) / Dick Dale and His Del-Tones - Misirlou" on "Pulp Fiction" by "[dialogue]" (flac, 679 kbps)
2007-11-17 32142, 2007
brianfreud
lol, MClemo, that one's fixed if you want to debork that stuff out of the tags
2007-11-17 32118, 2007
MClemo
nice
2007-11-17 32144, 2007
srotta
8)
2007-11-17 32101, 2007
brianfreud
taking out the (dialogue: Tim Roth & Amanda Plummer) bork
2007-11-17 32130, 2007
srotta
Yeah, on one of those releases.
2007-11-17 32154, 2007
srotta
And it's still performed by [dialogue] 8)
2007-11-17 32128, 2007
brianfreud
that one's wierd about it though - someone went through and cleaned it up, AR'd it, removed all that once. Then someone else tried to edit the () junk back in, and votes failed (thankfully). Then someone else autoedited the () junk back in anyhow :P
2007-11-17 32155, 2007
MClemo
Now playing: "Pumpkin and Honey Bunny / Dick Dale and His Del-Tones - Misirlou" on "Pulp Fiction" by "[dialogue]" (flac, 679 kbps)
2007-11-17 32157, 2007
ojnkpjg
did you give them a stern talking-to?
2007-11-17 32101, 2007
MClemo
thanks, brianfreud ;)
2007-11-17 32129, 2007
brianfreud
np
2007-11-17 32137, 2007
brianfreud
ojnkpjg, nah :P
2007-11-17 32106, 2007
MClemo
I saw that one a couple of months ago and thought that this is such a popular release that there couldn't possibly be any errors in it :)
2007-11-17 32107, 2007
brianfreud
I hate when I get notes on old edits of mine... hitting an autoeditor for edits made 16 months ago seems more just being annoying :P
drsaunde: Chantal just told me (again) what poutine is.... *shudders*
2007-11-17 32146, 2007
ojnkpjg
healthy
2007-11-17 32114, 2007
brianfreud
kraft dinner with a side of poutine... yummy! (groan)
2007-11-17 32121, 2007
drsaunde
but quite good
2007-11-17 32107, 2007
drsaunde
ojnkpjg: hopefully there was Canadian beer & rye whiskey
2007-11-17 32152, 2007
MClemo
Some tracks you submitted have not been added to your profile for the following reason:
2007-11-17 32155, 2007
MClemo
The track you submitted appears to be badly tagged - please check the file's tags.
2007-11-17 32159, 2007
MClemo
damn you, last.fm
2007-11-17 32136, 2007
ojnkpjg
drsaunde, yep
2007-11-17 32151, 2007
brianfreud
somehow I can see it soon offering to fingerprint the track and fix your tags for you...
2007-11-17 32138, 2007
LotR
'fix'
2007-11-17 32104, 2007
LotR
it already 'fixes' artist 'The Mothers of Invention' to 'Frank Zappa' :(
2007-11-17 32111, 2007
brianfreud
what annoys me is it dropping ", part #" from the track title
2007-11-17 32129, 2007
MClemo
I guess last.fm always brings that warning if it detects "artist - title" in the track title?
2007-11-17 32144, 2007
brianfreud
I have Jeff Wayne – Original Narration and Acting Parts (Unabridged) showing 30 plays per time I listen to one of the cds in that set, as it drops ,part 1 through ,part 30
2007-11-17 32130, 2007
LotR
(software trying to be clever)--
2007-11-17 32134, 2007
MClemo
Zed's dead, baby, Zed's dead
2007-11-17 32128, 2007
artelsj joined the channel
2007-11-17 32113, 2007
MClemo
drsaunde: wow, your ratio of played tracks vs. top artists at last.fm really is impressive
