I was working on some college a capella releases, and some releases from a choral group I was in when I was in college.
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brianfreud
Have you ever thought about a mass email to, not the current editors, but our trying to find email addys for contact for the artists themselves, try to leverage them, either directly, or indirectly (they telling their fanclubs, etc), to try and get more/improved info?
2007-11-02 30625, 2007
brianfreud
Who cares more about good data than us? ...The artists themselves...
2007-11-02 30657, 2007
brianfreud
I sent an email to the current president of one of the groups I used to be in; I know had we had something like MB back then, we would easily have had volunteers to help add and improve the data, at least for ourselves... and once you've edited yourself, it's hard not to also spread out to editingother artists
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brianfreud wonders if his comments just scared everyone into silence...
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brianfreud
\o/ chatkill! :)
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yllona
brianfreud: i'm quiet because i've already tried to fight this battle. if you choose to go forward, i'd be honored to support you.
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brianfreud
well, at least for the a cappela groups - we have 200 some in the db - my sense is... college kids are... energetic :)
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yllona
yep. youth == energy :)
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brianfreud
and I remember the love of music, and everything related to music, that comes with being in such a group
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drsaunde
all i can think of when you discuss that is Andy Bernard
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drsaunde
(from the Office)
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brianfreud
The one group I did email, I used to be the vp. But I am half tempted to email every college a capella group in the db, trying to get them to get their members to improve their listings... and in the process, we prob pick up more than a few energetic, interested, and *good* editors - and lol, flesh out our college a capella listings :P
next time I'm in MD, the college library records office has 2 boxes of membership records I want to photocopy, going all the way back to 1888
2007-11-02 30610, 2007
brianfreud
lol, and you thought parliament was bad :D
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drsaunde
Woodrow Wilson's still a member?
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yllona
drsaunde: heh, one interesting note from the upcoming screenwriters strike: there's a romour flying around LA that NBC, in lieue of re-runs for "The Office", may actually secure rights to broadcast the original UK version of "The Office"
2007-11-02 30607, 2007
brianfreud
lol, yeah, I don't like how ARs display dates
2007-11-02 30619, 2007
brianfreud
if you don't have an end date, it assumes the person is still a member.
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brianfreud
I only have the year he founded the group - not what year he left the group.
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brianfreud
So of course, has/had member(s) Woodrow Wilson from 1883 to present"
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brianfreud
hopefully, when I get those 2 boxes of records, I can rectify how that lists. Annoying though, in the meantime.
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brianfreud
for groups like this, it would also be nice to have ARs for "X founded group in year y
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brianfreud
"X was president of group from a to b" "X was vice-president of group from a to b" "X was secretary of group from a to b" "X was treasurer of group from a to b"
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FauxFaux
No, I was the president!
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brianfreud
lol...
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brianfreud used to date the president of this group :P
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yllona
that Ar would be useful for any group that's an "artist's collective", like m-base or the black rock coalition
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brianfreud
lol, umm, and...
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stochasticism has quit
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brianfreud used to date the treasurer of this group :P
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brianfreud
agreed yllona
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brianfreud
for groups with quickly changing memberships, founder lists would be nice. And, where it applies, being able to list out the varying exec boards
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brianfreud
bonus points to the first person who can ID this work... "For the Mouse is a creature / of great personal valour. / For the Mouse is of / An hospitable disposition."
I'm slowly working through this one alphabetically, just based on 3 years of records I have, as the v-p and person who handled the recordings...
2007-11-02 30617, 2007
brianfreud
but I'm considering, ok, given 1883 - 2007..... membership lists will be just simply *insane*
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drsaunde
they weren't (aren't) called the Drifters for nothing
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brianfreud
the "changed name to" and a "artist merged with artist" AR would be SO nice to have here too
2007-11-02 30652, 2007
brianfreud
I've seen and participated in all the debates, but can anyone tell me, in like 1 sentence, why a "changed name to" AR is a bad thing?
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yllona
but won't you have a name collision with the legendary Doo Wop / R & B band named "The Drifters"?
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drsaunde
that's who i was talking about (you obviously didn't follow the link :-)
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yllona
\
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drsaunde
I was trying to goad Brian to top The Drifters for most detailed membership lsit
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drsaunde
*list
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brianfreud
drsaunde, lol, wait til I'm back in MD for xmas to copy those 2 boxes...
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yllona
drsaunde: the drifters. yeah. and then there's the P-Funk (Parliament/Funkadelic) crew that desperately needs attention
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brianfreud
50 to 100 members a year, ~20 turnover per year, 124 years of continual existance? LOL
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yllona
brianfreud: any long-lived european (or american) orchestra or opera company, would be in that ball park
2007-11-02 30639, 2007
brianfreud
damn... I never did the math.... that's THOUSANDS of members....
2007-11-02 30604, 2007
brianfreud
oh, btw, yllona, totally off topic, but going back to our conversation on Philip Glass. Did you happen to see he was nominated for a World Soundtrack Award this year? (he didn't win)
2007-11-02 30631, 2007
brianfreud
best composer of the year nominee
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yllona
yes. and he has another opera "Appamotox" that debuted at San Francisco opera to rave reviews, that i'm absolutely dying to hear...
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yllona patiently waits for the CD release of "Appomattox"
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brianfreud
tags are unfixed here yet, but :) I saw this one live... :)
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brianfreud Tara Wilkinson - Entry of National Trains (from "Starlight Express [1993 London Cast] [Hip-O]") (02:13)
Little Miss Sunshine (Mychael Danna) (Best Original Score nominee), “I Need to Wake Up” from An Inconvenient Truth (Melissa Etheridge) & “When You Taught Me How to Dance” from Miss Potter (Mike Batt/Nigel Westlake/Richard Maltby, Jr.) - not yet in the db last I looked
2007-11-02 30611, 2007
brianfreud
would be kind of fun if we had some way to flag the nominees for various awards, have those awards nominees somehow show up on the main page
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clever
having trouble running picardqt
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clever
NameError: name 'sys' is not defined
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brianfreud
argh... every edit all here, it sets the track times to -1 ms, is totally screwing up the server
this thing gets worse screwed up each time I try to fix it
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yllona
and the whole release is less than 15 mins long. i call bullshit
2007-11-02 30600, 2007
brianfreud
panda and I figured out what it is
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brianfreud
total 21 tracks
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brianfreud
adding the tracks and the times, though, the server is REALLY not liking
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yllona
i say delete teh whole thing, until a valid release can be obtained, it's not worth the effort
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brianfreud
I have what turned out to be side B of this
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brianfreud
the borkiness is the server only partially accepting edit alls
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brianfreud
trying to find the right combo of edits that will let me actually fix things
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drsaunde
3-6 are missing
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brianfreud
yeah, still fighting with it
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brianfreud
every time I edit, it sets random tracks to -1 ms in length
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Aankhen``
Gah.
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Aankhen``
I hate mistyping passwords.
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Aankhen``
10 times in a row.
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brianfreud
it keeps complaining about line breaks in track titles, where there are none, then setting an edit for tracks x to x+y from 2:08 to -1 ms, then -1 ms back to 2:08 - and failing because the edit to -1 ms is invalid
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brianfreud
awake again already Aankhen``? :D
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Aankhen``
Yes. Slept for about six and a half hours then woke up and can't get back to sleep. :-\
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brianfreud
yay! Hi YAUB!
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brianfreud
ruaok said he'd restart it, only he doesn't know how
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Aankhen``
ruaok: I'm not sure whether it'll work, but you could always try this in ~aankhen/yaub: perl -Ilib script/driver --conf=moosebot
So, anyway, sorry about the interrupted YAUB service.
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Aankhen``
I'll give it a good talking to and dock its pay.
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brianfreud
lol
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brianfreud
!spank YAUB
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brianfreud slaps YAUB around a bit with a large trout
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Aankhen``
YAUB: You're not getting any more cookies till Christmas.
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brianfreud
and then only if you give me presents... not giving up YAUBSanta any cookies unless HE is nice, and not naughty...
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Aankhen``
Hehe.
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brianfreud
Aankhen`` on the other hand, well, he wrote you. He gets cookies :)
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Aankhen``
Yay!
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brianfreud is talking to a program... hmmmm....
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Aankhen``
Could you make them double chocolate with chocolate chocolate chips and a coating of extra chocolate?
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brianfreud
double fudge dipped ok
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Aankhen``
Yup.
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brianfreud
ok :)
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brianfreud
hey Aankhen``... question for you. What do you think is the thing that prevents more Indian users from helping add to the MB db?
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brianfreud
lol, didn't mean the Q to scare him off
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brianfreud
wb, didn't mean my Q to scare you offline :D
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Aankhen``
That was weird.
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Aankhen``
Here's what I had:
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Aankhen``
[11:38:07] <brianfreud> hey Aankhen``... question for you. What do you think is the thing that prevents more Indian users from helping add to the MB db?
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Aankhen``
[11:38:34] <Aankhen``> Illiteracy?
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Aankhen``
[11:38:45] <Aankhen``> …seriously, Indians don't generally give tuppence about correct metadata.
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brianfreud
ah - 34 and 35 didn't make it though
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brianfreud
*45
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brianfreud
honestly, from the Americanized Indians I knew growing up, I find that hard to believe
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Aankhen``
I speak from frustrating experience. :-)
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brianfreud
I can understand foolip's trouble getting people to use it... language/script difficulty and all. But for places that can speak English, or at least figure out the site, I just don't get why we have such low penetration - Japan, Russia. Spain, Mexico, India, pretty much all of Africa and South America, and most of the Arabic countries...
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Aankhen``
What I said about Indians applies to most people.
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Aankhen``
While they don't mind proper metadata, they're too lazy to invest any time in fixing up their collections.
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brianfreud
I guess I[m just trying to figure out what it would take to get real super-users from outside of EU and USA
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Aankhen``
Cash incentives. :-)
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brianfreud
aside from $$, lol
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brianfreud
is it really a cultural indifference to tags, or is it the interface, or is it something else?
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Aankhen``
Cultural indifference to being organized, really.
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Aankhen``
No one (with the exception of us geeks) salivates over a properly tagged and named music collection.
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Aankhen``
Most people think it's a waste of time.
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brianfreud
lol, a much as I think all cultures (except maybe Germans?) claim that... I just find it hard to beliveve
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Aankhen`` shrugs.
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Aankhen``
I've seen it over and over again, so it's not hard to believe for me.
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brianfreud
ok, forget tags
2007-11-02 30605, 2007
brianfreud
are you really saying that Indian music/Bollywood fans have no interest in a centralized info source for the music from their favorite bands?
