On the other hand, I just read about a Finnish hit song that was actually written as a parody.
2007-11-20 32459, 2007
brianfreud
srotta: yeah, but even a translated text is still the intended text... Is Wierd Al's Smells Like Nirvana really a cover of Nirvana's Smells Like Teen Spirit, in anyone's definition of a cover?
2007-11-20 32429, 2007
srotta
Not a parody of any specific piece, but a parody of the style of music. And it was voted as one of the best examples of that style a year ago. :D
2007-11-20 32450, 2007
brianfreud
:)
2007-11-20 32410, 2007
brianfreud is starting to be more convinced that we do need a new AR
2007-11-20 32423, 2007
srotta
brianfreud: It's not, because it's intended as a parody.
2007-11-20 32440, 2007
HairMetalAddict
I believe there was agreement for parody / pastiche AR's a long while back, but nothing came of it.
2007-11-20 32443, 2007
brianfreud
exactly - so if a cover of AR were set between the two, it'd be wrong.
2007-11-20 32455, 2007
srotta
brianfreud: But if it was in Finnish and the "translator" was Pentti Saarikoski, nobody would say another word about it being a parody.
2007-11-20 32456, 2007
HairMetalAddict
"Cover" should not be used for Weird Al's tracks, though.
2007-11-20 32458, 2007
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srotta
So we're talking about the intention of the re-writer. Is bad parody still a parody? What if the parody has better lyrics than the original?
2007-11-20 32432, 2007
HairMetalAddict
It's still a parody no matter what descriptive terms you add to the word "parody" ;-)
eh, Hades, I don't remember yesterday much less last year. ;-)
2007-11-20 32436, 2007
brianfreud
Seems there was some dissent about calling it "is a parody of" vs "is a parody/satire of", but there never was a veto
2007-11-20 32459, 2007
brianfreud
Though, given the definition of parody being partially that a parody is a satire, I think it's a rather meaningless distinction :P
2007-11-20 32444, 2007
HairMetalAddict
mmm, nitpicky boneheads. ;-)
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brianfreud
lol, so I guess I'll put in a request that the AR actually be created... better late than never :D
2007-11-20 32427, 2007
HairMetalAddict
No complaints here. Just to make sure it goes through and everyone's whines are met: "is a parody/satire/spoof/joke/something to laugh at/holy crap that's not the original lyrics/craptastic version of"
2007-11-20 32429, 2007
brianfreud
lol
2007-11-20 32411, 2007
brianfreud
what do you think, "is parodied by" and "is a parody of"?
2007-11-20 32436, 2007
drsaunde
cool...you should also add the usual stuff about pointing to the original release
2007-11-20 32438, 2007
HairMetalAddict
The latter sounds better. And I don't actually care if the satire part gets added.
2007-11-20 32432, 2007
brianfreud
drsaunde, yeah, we'll have to add that to the wiki when the AR is added
2007-11-20 32452, 2007
brianfreud
HairMetalAddict: well, just thinking on the reverse end's text - is "parodied" the right way to spell that word?
seems he's using performer, not composer - though I think traditional ought to be used, not unknown there
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brianfreud
looks like they were originally [anonymous] though: "I chose to use "anonymous" as opposed to unknown because these indigenous people were 'known', but were shy and humble, and did not want to be remembered."
