oh, ok. i need to specify the relationship outside of entering the new album, right?
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yllona
yes
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BrianFreud
I actually know that release :) you'd do album artist = various artists, each track artist = the composer, with "composed by" and "performed by" ARs for the appropriate person/groups
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Guysmiley
Mr. Freud, you're crazy to know this album! :)
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BrianFreud
hehe
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BrianFreud
I've used it for a "listening source" for a chamber group I used to be in
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yllona
i'm a naxos fiend also, but i don't own this album
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Guysmiley
I've never setup an AR so I'll go enter the album and give it a shot. Great site, naxos. All the information one needs.
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yllona
great label, naxos :)
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Guysmiley
aye
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BrianFreud
aye - one of my top favs
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BrianFreud
along with Varese and Colosseum, plus the old Kiss the Stone (for bootlegs)
for the ARs, once the release is created, just click on the track, then add the appropriate AR.
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Guysmiley
ah, terrific. so the AR's are there in tracks 17-20 and that's how they appear?
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BrianFreud
not sure what you mean Guysmiley
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Guysmiley
yeah, it's okay. i'll get it done. :) I was looking back at your suggestion, though, and you say to enter track artist as the composer, but to add "composed by" and "performed by" AR's. Isn't the former redundant?
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Guysmiley
Is composer the original person and "composed by" is some modern person?
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BrianFreud
a bit, but for classical, you use the composer as artist
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BrianFreud
however, adding the composer AR also allows that id3 tag, plus other software, to add the "composer" info
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Guysmiley
Aha! I didn't know that's what purpose AR's serve.
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Guysmiley
Can I switch genres to the absolute opposite end of the spectrum?
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BrianFreud
aye - they can populate tags, plus be used for various other purposes. For one such example, try http://www.coversproject.com/ (uses the "is a cover of" AR)
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Guysmiley
that's great, thanks
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BrianFreud
MB doesn't (currently) store any genre info...
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yllona
and for the kathleen example, the last four tracks are 20th century arrangements of spirituals (folk songs)
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Guysmiley
Sorry - I meant I wanted to switch my line of questioning to a completely different genre. My bad. :)
His albums are compilations of others' works. Are his albums mostly all VA, too?
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Guysmiley
...and I'll need to add an AR there, too?
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BrianFreud
I'm not familiar with him, but it sounds like you're drifting into the DJ Mix/remix category - check in the wiki for the "DJ Mixed" "Remixed" "Remix of" and "Contains Samples From" ARs
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Guysmiley
Wikipedia calls most of his albums "mix compliations" - ok, i'll look in the wiki, thanks
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BrianFreud
oh, and for any interested, finacee is back in Canada, and I'm back editing :D
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BrianG
is that in case shes reading the chat logs?
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BrianG
:P
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BrianFreud
nope
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BrianFreud
I've been trying to play "name that composer" - have a decent number of last names I still can't ID, if any of these seem familiar to anyone: A. Stewart, A. Testa, Anton, Bezzi, Bindi, Bixio, Boncampi, Boncompagni, Bonicatti, C. Pes, Califano, Caligiani, Cantini, Capurro, Carroll, Cassia, Casto, Cesari, Chiosso, Chisso, Ciacci, Claudio, Clise, Colarossi, Costanzo, Cravero, Dalla, De Chiara, De Filippo, Del Prete, Delanoe, Delan
yeah - working on the additional composers for the 10 CD Morricone box set
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Guysmiley
OK - back to my Unicorn Ensemble album. BrianFreud: If I enter the composer as the artist and also add an AR for "composed by" am I also entering the artist name in that AR?
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BrianFreud
well, for each track, the composer of the work would be the artist
2007-08-02 21435, 2007
BrianFreud
OMG: Watching "Pony Trouble"... this movie is both awful and... wierd
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Guysmiley
hahah, right, but for the AR am I just entering the composer there, too?
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BrianFreud
yes - it's duplicative, but has separate purposes
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Guysmiley
great, that clears it up.
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BrianFreud
:)
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Guysmiley
thanks for your patience
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BrianFreud
np
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Guysmiley
Instead of "Anonymous" on a track should "[unknown]" be used instead?
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Guysmiley
for the artist field, that is
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FauxFaux
PONY trouble?!
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BrianFreud
FauxFaux: Yup - totally thought of you with that title... it's the worst/funkiest movie you've ever seen
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canidae
link to that nin ten do sixty phoar thingy?
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canidae
nah, forget it. don't even want to inflict the pain on someone just to make them reconsider having a child :s
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FauxFaux
FauxFaux is now known as Faux|work
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Faux|work is now known as FauxFaux
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BrianFreud
For later, whoever happens to read this, an opinion question... I recently had a disagreement with panda on this. I've since seen several other Morricone releases for which it is true. When the same release is released in multiple countries in different languages, be it only the release title that is translated, the release title and some of the tracktitles, or all the titles, at what point would people consider it a separat
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FauxFaux
seperat...
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Muz_
That got truncated
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Muz_
Long question is looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong
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FauxFaux
Right near "ponies are wi".. what was the next letter?
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Muz_
"lling to accept they're inferior to moose"
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Muz_ nods
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FauxFaux
D:
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yllona
BrianFreud: what we're you trying to say? and panda disagreed?
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BrianFreud
lol, ok, thanks - was afraid it would truncate
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BrianFreud
For later, whoever happens to read this, an opinion question... I recently had a disagreement with panda on this. I've since seen several other
2007-08-02 21443, 2007
BrianFreud
Morricone releases for which it is true. When the same release is released in multiple countries in different languages, be it only
2007-08-02 21450, 2007
BrianFreud
the release title that is translated, the release title and some of the tracktitles, or all the titles, at what point would
2007-08-02 21451, 2007
BrianFreud
people consider it a separate release - and when it is such, is it a transl(iter)ation of the original?
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yllona
i'll go for transliteration of the original -- localization
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yllona
if the tracks are in fact the same... translation of track title, track length (duration) etc.
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FauxFaux would rather the release didn't exist. ¬_¬
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yllona
happens all the time in jazz
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Muz_ thinks there should be an AR for this sort of business
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Muz_
Or a better system to give a release multiple album titles, and a "primary title"
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Muz_
Wishful thinking++
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outsidecontext
i'm not sure about the separation, i tend to consider them separate. but a translation AR would be correct i think
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yllona
perfect example the jazz standard "autumn leaves" which is in fact a french tune ...
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yllona is listening to Les Feuilles Mortes (Autumn Leaves) by Dee Dee Bridgewater from Keeping Tradition (1993) (0:06 / 6:48.993988037109)
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yllona
it's known by both titles -- as an instrumental and vocal
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yllona
Muz_: this is why i've advocated aggressively for track aiiases... but instead we get "crowd sourcing" for teh latest feature aat MB :P
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Muz_
yllona, at least I know my ideas aren't completely insane then and I'm not the only one who wants things one way :P
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yllona
autumn leaves is often sung as a medley... french and english lyrics combined
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Muz_ goes to shower and get ready for work
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yllona
as for the latest voting/ranking mechanism to be implemented at MB, IMO a waste of time (and talent) -- sharon did and excellent job
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BrianFreud
yes - but take, say, Once Upon a Time in the West. It's been released in German as "Spiel mir das Lied vom Tod",
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BrianFreud
with different versions with track titles in either German or English, in English as "Once Upon a Time in the West" - track titles in English and Italian, depending on the
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BrianFreud
version, in French as "l était Une Fois Dans L'Ouest ", track titles in English, in Italian as "C'era una volta il west" with track titles in Italian, in Dutch as "Het Gebeurde In Het Westen", with track titles in
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BrianFreud
Italian, and even worse, a release with 3 titles, "C'era una volta il west / l était Une Fois Dans L'Ouest / Spiel mir das lied vom tod" with Italian track titles
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yllona
BrianFreud: so how is that diffrent from "autumn leaves"?
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BrianFreud
I don't know that release, but perhaps not different
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CatCat
hi hi
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CatCat
I fell asleep
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BrianFreud
hi Mo! :)
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yllona
i could list any number of jazz standards with that same issue: ex: anything composed by michel legrand ;)
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CatCat
brainfrø: i think that they're seperated, bu are defintiyl not transliterated
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BrianFreud
basically, a release with release title in English, Italian, Dutch, and German, depending on the release, with track title in English, French, or Italian
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CatCat
transliterated/translated are for 'psudo' releases of mb only
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BrianFreud
in some cases, even the same cdid - same CD, different languages,
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yllona
BrianFreud: try opera
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CatCat
classical oes that to :(
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BrianFreud
so at what point are they different, or the same?
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CatCat
to me, when the tracklist on the cd differs that much
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CatCat
o be a differnt language
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yllona
i have versions of janacek's "cunning Little vixen" in englis and czech
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yllona
that would be sung in english and czech
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CatCat
yea ok, a bit ot there but ok
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CatCat
brain: theres so singing at all there is it?
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CatCat
how is the CotM going bytheway?
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BrianFreud
well, say you have one release - CD toc is identical on both - when one release title is in English, one is in Italian, both with track titles in Italian - are those close enough to be the same, or different enough to warrent 2 release entries?
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yllona
it's the same opera with the same score, track by track even
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BrianFreud
CatCat: no idea - I've picked off a few of them, but fiancee was in town, so didn't have a lot of time to do much editing
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yllona
BrianFreud: liner notes / librettos for opera are often released in at least three languages
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CatCat
yllona yes yeds
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BrianFreud
but at what point are otherwise identical, but with translated release and/or/partially/parenthetically translated track titles different vs the same?
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CatCat
do you mean ARs now or?
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BrianFreud
no, I mean, when ought they to be the same release, vs different releases?
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yllona
which language would be correct for MB when you have an italian composer, a french librettist, and a japanese orchestra & conductor , with american, european, and asian performers
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CatCat
BrianFreud you know the answer to that. mailinglist time :)
