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      • J-_
        oh my goodness. xmms+jack so much better.
      • MartinRudat
        ...than?
      • Jooon
        ... the built in eq support in xmms?
      • juhae
        ... but i like foobar 2000...
      • MartinRudat currently uses iTunes, and rhythmbox; or more to the point, I use 'party shuffle', and that's about it. =)
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      • MartinRudat
        hmm... I haven't kept track, does xmms's equaliser support anything other than mp3?
      • MartinRudat wonders ... is 10am on a sunday morning late enough to fire up the washing machine?
      • ...or shouldn't I care how late my house-mate stayed up watching the footy? =)
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      • brianfreud
        damn, 10 am Martin? Where are you that's 14 hours ahead of me? :P
      • australia?
      • MartinRudat
        G'day brianfreud. how'd you guess? =)
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      • oh, and yes. I'm from australia.
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      • brianfreud
        lol, well, it was either there, or Japan...
      • MartinRudat wonders if he should try to actually learn some japanese, if only to confuse people... then again, my ip address kind of gives it away... =)
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      • MartinRudat wonders if it would work, rather than voting on changes, to vote on alternatives, where you're presented with a set of (say) the top n most recently suggested alternatives, and the top n most supported alternatives for some value... including all the discussion attached to each alternative, etc... and needing to get votes shifted from the current alternative to the new alternative to make a change...
      • MartinRudat
        brianfreud: hee. that is good. =)
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      • MartinRudat hmms... perhaps unplugging the power-board your computer is plugged into isn't quite such a good idea... =)
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      • MartinRudat blinks... how can an edit be both an auto-edit, and rejected on expiration?
      • brianfreud
        huh?
      • MartinRudat
        http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/conditions.html <-- high DQ, add artist annotation, for example.
      • one of these two things doesn't add up, imo.
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      • brianfreud
        it's a auto-edit for anyone - pretty much all the info in that line seems incorrect
      • ought to be NA for the voting periods, votes = 0, NA for expire actions
      • MartinRudat
        ...but if it's an auto-edit, how can it be then rejected on expiration, if it's automatically applied?
      • brianfreud
        that's my point - it never goes to a vote, so how could it expire?
      • MartinRudat
        ah. documentation bug, then.
      • brianfreud
        any annotation type anywhere on the site is auto-edit for anyone
      • wait, no, that's not 100% true
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      • If you're one of those lucky few to have editortype set to IdiotMode, then an annotation edit WOULD go to a vote, and these rules would then apply as listed
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      • warp
        ooh, idiotmode sounds fun, are there actually ppl who have that?
      • km
        hey, i have a quick question about picardqt, would this be the place to ask it?
      • brianfreud
        warp: there's a few
      • Jugdish
        what's IdiotMode?
      • brianfreud
        every single thing you do, even if normally it would be an autoedit, has to get voted on
      • Jugdish
        haha
      • who has that?
      • brianfreud
        think of it as the opposite of auto-editor
      • I don't recall offhand who has it
      • Ru has to manually set it on someone who's just THAT bad
      • Jugdish
        hopefully people set to IdiotMode are idiotic enough to not know that they could simply sign up with a new nick :P
      • brianfreud
        shhhhh
      • lol
      • oh Jugdish, I added a new idea to your GM suggestions page
      • Jugdish
        oh yeah i saw that
      • brianfreud
        I looked at doing it myself, but it's more complicated that I think I could write :P
      • Jugdish
        i've wanted something like that too, when i'm trying to split out an artist into 2 different artists, it's hard to keep track of which ones need to stay and which need to be moved
      • so i definitely plan on implementing something like that
      • brianfreud
        yeah
      • every time I work on an artist cleanup, I wish I had some way to do it
      • normally I try to keep the artist page open until I'm done, and use the existing batch checkboxes to do it, but if it's a big artist, you eventually have a browser crash or something and lose it all
      • oh, btw, a script that's really handy, on the o'reilly site for the GM Hacks book - the Table of Contents one. If you set it to work for the artists display page, you can jump between each type of release easily
      • km: sorry, yes, go for it :)
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      • km
        oh uh
      • what font does picardqt use/where does it get it?
      • does it use one of the system fonts, or what?
      • brianfreud
        No clue, but I'd guess it's using a system one
      • never seen anyone ask that one before... luks is the one who could answer you best, when he's around
      • km
        yeah... i just thought i'd ask
      • whatever font it uses seems to display a whole lot more than the system fonts i have set up
      • brianfreud
        you using windows?
      • km
        no, gentoo linux
      • brianfreud
        ah
      • km
        i figured worse comes to worse i can poke through the source, but i don't know python
      • oh well, thanks :)
      • brianfreud
        I don't either, but python seems pretty readable, so it ought not to be too hidden in there :)
      • km
        yeah, but what's two seconds to hop on irc, right?
      • and hey, i learned something interesting about idiotmode :)
      • MartinRudat
        ...it might be using a fontset rather than just a single font...
      • km
        hmmm
      • MartinRudat
        I think that the right name for it.
      • MartinRudat crams an "'s" in there.
      • km
        you mean that it's taking characters from different fonts when the default lacks whatever character is needed?
      • MartinRudat
        yeah.
      • km
        hmm
      • i guess i'll have to figure out where it's finding these fonts
      • MartinRudat
        ...provided whoever set up the substitutions is reasonably careful, it would look close enough that you wouldn't notice what it's up to...
      • have you got unifont installed?
      • km
        bweh?
      • hmm
      • looks like i dont
      • i've been using dejavu, which is supposed to be an extended helvetica-like, i think
      • oh, bitstream vera
      • MartinRudat
        hmm... I can't remember the name, but there's one of the default fonts in debian at least, that covers a reasonably large part of the unicode glyph set...
      • km
        well, i just installed unifont
      • lets see how it looks...
      • oh, and as far as unicode in windows goes, do id3 tags need to be utf8 or utf16?
      • MartinRudat
        one other thing, is if you're using the -iso8859-1 version, you're only going to be able to use the characters from that encoding, you'd need to point it at -ucs-1 or something... then agian, if you're using kde, or gnome, they both do their best to hide that sort of thing from you...
      • km
        yeah, kde just lets you pick font families
      • MartinRudat
        I'd imagine that utf8 is probably what the id3 spec says.
      • km
        it's supposed to do that fontset sort of thing
      • MartinRudat
        I've never looked. *shrug*
      • km
        alright, i remember seeing something about windows and utf16 tags in some ancient chat log
      • well the good news is i think that unifont has all the characters i could ever need
      • the bad news is that it looks horrible
      • MartinRudat
        km: afaik, it covers _everything_, or at least, tries to... but it's also a bitmap font, and quite large, 'cause of support for asian glyphs...
      • km
        yeah, i guess i can't really win when it comes to, what do you call them, kanji?
      • those complex-looking japanese characters?
      • MartinRudat
        I think that's one set of 'em, at least.
      • km
        windows hates 'em, kde likes 'em a little better, and picardqt feels right at home
      • MartinRudat
        there's a few nice looking ttf japanese fonts you should be able to install.
      • km
        eh, it's not really a big deal
      • just when some songs come up, it's sort of like, oh I really like... uh.. block block block.. squiggle.. block....
      • MartinRudat
        if your font of choice doesn't cover japanese, I think that those would be substituted in preference to unifont. 'course unifont is nice because it should make it so you don't get block block ... etc.
      • km
        i'll look into how kde handles font substitution
      • MartinRudat
        ...although, one thing I saw that was nice, it went [dead][beef] rather than just [][] for codepoints with no available glyph...
      • km
        yeah, i've seen that
      • that was in firefox though, and the characters seemed to be extra tall, and threw off the page rendering
      • MartinRudat
        ...I don't think it looks that much _nicer_ than blocks, but sure is much more useful, imo. I can't remember if it still does that for me, or what settings were turned on to get it.
      • km
        well, i can't even start to comprehend a non-latin-characterset language, so it's not a terribly huge deal to know which characters i'm not reading :)
      • MartinRudat
        there was something that produced one set which was two rows of hex, do [de, newline, ad], and another that was [dead] all on one line, but the same height as the surrounding font...
      • km
        i think i've seen the former out in the wild
      • the latter sounds more useful
      • MartinRudat
        km: but then you can go, I lke [dead][beef][0773][4000][d00d] ... =)
      • ...though I suppose, if it's online, you can cut'n'paste, and those that can actually read the inscrutible squiggles, can, and the rest of us can just go 'huh'? =)
      • km
        you know, i moved into a new apartment on thursday, and i confused the office worker when i asked for my key to apartment 16... what i really meant was 16h
      • er
      • 10h
      • MartinRudat
        hah! =)
      • I haven't done that... yet, though what with memorising usernames at work, I wonder how long it will be until I go, hey cool_dude23, I'd like to introduce you to mad_ski77s... =)
      • km
        yikes
      • MartinRudat
        okay, I exaggerate, the usernames at work are more like licence-plate numbers, but... =)
      • km
        it's bad enough when i see someone i know irl online in a forum or chat somewhere
      • i never know if i should address them by real name or by handle
      • MartinRudat
        hmm... most of the people I know both irl and online, I've met online first, so I call 'em by handle... ot
      • ...of course, you get some strange people who use their RL name online. =)
      • km
        well, my name is miles, so, i guess i kind of use it, after i18n
      • maybe it should be more like 1.6km
      • MartinRudat
        heh. =)
      • km
        yuck, it looks like windows does expect utf16 for everything
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