BrianG starts creating multiple accounts to boost ratings
2007-07-11 19230, 2007
yllona
FauxFaux: i agree on something local. but i could care less about what others think ;)
2007-07-11 19241, 2007
FauxFaux
Speaking of which, gah, die windows explorer.
2007-07-11 19246, 2007
ruaok is sorry he asked for feedback
2007-07-11 19250, 2007
BrianG
don't be
2007-07-11 19255, 2007
yllona
it's my music, and if i didn't like it, it wouldn't be in my collection
2007-07-11 19259, 2007
BrianG
i think you got some good feedback
2007-07-11 19208, 2007
ruaok sends sharon private mail
2007-07-11 19220, 2007
gioele
ruaok: I fear that in the long run it will result in bad publicity...
2007-07-11 19230, 2007
ruaok
if it does, we turn it off.
2007-07-11 19232, 2007
ruaok
simple.
2007-07-11 19202, 2007
yllona
frankly i don't see the point, but if it's just an experiment -- go for it.
2007-07-11 19228, 2007
ruaok
RATINGS ARE ONLY A MEANS TO THE END.
2007-07-11 19230, 2007
gioele
anyway, yes, as BrianG said, no offence to anyone working on these systems! It is a cool work that shows how powerful mb is becoming. It's just the PR side that worries me ;)
2007-07-11 19254, 2007
BrianG
PRIMUS SUCKS WOO
2007-07-11 19203, 2007
yllona
ruaok: what's the end game then?
2007-07-11 19209, 2007
BrianG
filtering
2007-07-11 19221, 2007
ruaok
collaborative filtering
2007-07-11 19244, 2007
ruaok realizes that there is a huge amount of perception management on this and the tagging project
2007-07-11 19247, 2007
aCiD2
I honestly can't see how ratings can give a bad public image
2007-07-11 19200, 2007
aCiD2
I mean, you're encouraging community participation on yet another level, how is that bad?
2007-07-11 19204, 2007
yllona
oh, and why would collaborative filtering algorithms be necessary in MB?
2007-07-11 19224, 2007
BrianG
because MB isn't going to be all factual
2007-07-11 19224, 2007
yllona
aCiD2: burn-out? :)
2007-07-11 19231, 2007
BrianG
or something
2007-07-11 19232, 2007
aCiD2
yllona: what do you mean?
2007-07-11 19243, 2007
ruaok
yllona: necessary. not at all.
2007-07-11 19247, 2007
ruaok
useful, yes.
2007-07-11 19251, 2007
warp currently has no opinion on the ratings, but can see uses for the tags.
2007-07-11 19200, 2007
ruaok
by collaboraitve filtering you can break the DB into logical chunks.
2007-07-11 19202, 2007
aCiD2
BrianG: Sure, but it's not like we're deleting our factual data, and gonna start capitalising our "the"s in track titles or anything :P
2007-07-11 19214, 2007
ruaok
I want to edit on music I like and similar music.
2007-07-11 19226, 2007
yllona
ruaok: okay. perhaps you can explain it to me over a beer. i'm at loss for this one. carry on
2007-07-11 19228, 2007
ruaok
don't make me peer review the crap I don't know/like.
2007-07-11 19234, 2007
aCiD2
I'm with rob there, that's a major hurdle I hit when I wanted to start voting
2007-07-11 19235, 2007
BrianG
and for some reason i can't type in those artists i like :P
2007-07-11 19245, 2007
aCiD2
I was like, wtf - I can't speak japanese, how am I meant to rate that!?
2007-07-11 19251, 2007
ruaok nods
2007-07-11 19251, 2007
warp
ruaok: ah right. might be useful to some users, not to me.
2007-07-11 19209, 2007
ruaok
its one of the chief complains I've gotten from day one.
2007-07-11 19211, 2007
BrianG
aCiD2: yeah that could be cool
2007-07-11 19231, 2007
ruaok
and, really if you look at the goal of MB....
2007-07-11 19233, 2007
yllona
why not search for the artist you like & just subscribe?
2007-07-11 19238, 2007
ruaok
we're here to collect information about music.
2007-07-11 19254, 2007
warp
ruaok: i always just voted/edited my subscriptions, and not much else :)
2007-07-11 19254, 2007
gioele
ruaok: can't you get the data from last.fm recommended/similar artists?
2007-07-11 19254, 2007
yllona
i'm still not getting it.
2007-07-11 19257, 2007
ruaok
and how the entities we have relate to one another is an important aspect of that.
2007-07-11 19206, 2007
ruaok
gioele: no, last.fm doesn't share data.
2007-07-11 19215, 2007
yllona
user ratings are useless for that type of data
2007-07-11 19232, 2007
yllona
just take alook at the last.fm global tag "jazz".
2007-07-11 19232, 2007
ruaok
yllona: never mind. we'll talk over a beer.
2007-07-11 19236, 2007
warp
:D
2007-07-11 19237, 2007
gioele
ruaok: contracts, lawyers... all that stuff? 8)
2007-07-11 19250, 2007
ruaok
more like competitive advantage.
2007-07-11 19257, 2007
aCiD2
yllona: well, I'm subscribed to about 200 artists, but I still hardly get to peer review, because my musical taste is apparently pretty niche
2007-07-11 19201, 2007
ruaok
RJ promised data sharing many years ago.
2007-07-11 19204, 2007
aCiD2
I get some stuff, but nothing much
2007-07-11 19214, 2007
ruaok
but since money has come into last.fm that idea went out the window.
2007-07-11 19218, 2007
gioele
screen scraping forever!
2007-07-11 19230, 2007
ruaok
I guess thats why he hasn't looked me in the eye in 3 years.
2007-07-11 19238, 2007
yllona
aCiD2: i'm in the same boat. but i've found like-minded folk. dmmpanda, for one. he' sawesome
2007-07-11 19240, 2007
warp
ruaok: :/
2007-07-11 19257, 2007
warp
ruaok: well, atleast they'll be a paying customer soonish, right? :)
2007-07-11 19205, 2007
ruaok
hopefully.
2007-07-11 19210, 2007
ruaok
but they will never be a data partner.
2007-07-11 19229, 2007
ruaok
so, if this type of data isn't out there, who is going to make it avalabile in a trusted manner?
2007-07-11 19232, 2007
warp doesn't scrobble a thing until they implemented the MB data feed.
2007-07-11 19207, 2007
gioele
ruaok: there we go, time for a new _free_ last.fm (with tags, ratings, whatever) under the Musicbrainz foundation?
2007-07-11 19211, 2007
yllona goes very quiet :P
2007-07-11 19228, 2007
ruaok
gioele: no that is certainly not what we're about.
2007-07-11 19245, 2007
ruaok
I don't want to stream music/videos.
2007-07-11 19250, 2007
ruaok
let the last.fm boys deal with that.
2007-07-11 19257, 2007
ruaok
I want good data about music.
2007-07-11 19208, 2007
ruaok
factual and non factual. it just has to work.
2007-07-11 19215, 2007
ruaok
and I am willing to try and fail.
2007-07-11 19224, 2007
ruaok
and if ratings fail, then so be it.
2007-07-11 19230, 2007
aCiD2 doesn't use the music streaming functionality of last.fm, or the tagging - I just do it to see what my friends like listening to
2007-07-11 19240, 2007
aCiD2
and get recommendations on what I might like
2007-07-11 19248, 2007
warp goes back to coding his tagger for another 30 minutes or so.
2007-07-11 19253, 2007
gioele does like aCiD2
2007-07-11 19255, 2007
aCiD2
so if MB is trying to give me just this information, and not a lot more - I'm sure it's gonna be done well!
2007-07-11 19203, 2007
aCiD2
ha
2007-07-11 19225, 2007
gioele
ruaok: ok, then what about renaming "rate this artist", that sounds like "I give you this mark", to "I like this artist 5/10"
2007-07-11 19239, 2007
ruaok
gioele: ahh, now that is useful feedback. :)
2007-07-11 19252, 2007
gioele
You are getting the same data, but you're showing it in a different way
2007-07-11 19209, 2007
ruaok
nomenclature is very important. and we haven't nailed this yet.
2007-07-11 19219, 2007
ruaok
sharon just put the VERY first version of this together.
2007-07-11 19236, 2007
Sharon
ruaok: okay
2007-07-11 19247, 2007
ruaok
Sharon: look for an email in a few minutes.
2007-07-11 19243, 2007
ruaok
for the actual rating process, do you guys like the drop down or would you prefer to see radio buttons?
2007-07-11 19259, 2007
BrianG
one click ratings
2007-07-11 19204, 2007
aCiD2
I'd prefer a list of stars are something
2007-07-11 19208, 2007
aCiD2
and I click the star I want
2007-07-11 19212, 2007
gioele
ruaok: one of those imdb-like stars?
2007-07-11 19216, 2007
BrianG
i'd prefer a list of LOLcats
2007-07-11 19217, 2007
aCiD2
Also, inlined with the release page, and submitted via ajax
2007-07-11 19226, 2007
aCiD2
BrianG: Careful, you'll set Muz off
2007-07-11 19227, 2007
aCiD2
:P
2007-07-11 19233, 2007
warp
ruaok: familiar with the ebay feedback rating interface?
2007-07-11 19234, 2007
yllona
ah gawd no, not the stars :(
2007-07-11 19238, 2007
ruaok wants stars too
2007-07-11 19241, 2007
aCiD2
yllona: Why?
2007-07-11 19249, 2007
ruaok
yllona: just turn the feature off and you don;'t have to look at it.
2007-07-11 19256, 2007
aCiD2
I find them very intuitive, and it only takes one click and it's all done
2007-07-11 19201, 2007
yllona
ruaok: okay. will do.
2007-07-11 19202, 2007
BrianG
people are made of stars
2007-07-11 19204, 2007
aCiD2
no click, click to submit
2007-07-11 19217, 2007
BrianG
no submit
2007-07-11 19221, 2007
BrianG
just click
2007-07-11 19222, 2007
BrianG
:)
2007-07-11 19229, 2007
BrianG
er what you said
2007-07-11 19239, 2007
aCiD2
ha
2007-07-11 19241, 2007
warp
gioele: sounds like the imdb stars are similar to the ebay feedback stars.
