The red confused me into thinking it was "MUST NOT".
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luks
Aankhen``: I don't have a link right not, but it's simple XMLHttpRequest
2007-05-07 12719, 2007
luks
*now
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catgroove
what is the difference bwtwene xhtml and html and why is it inmportant?
2007-05-07 12737, 2007
yllona
catgroove: yes and no. agian. ibm would be your primary resource here. covers the US & int'l standards, and all the work has been released into open source
2007-05-07 12740, 2007
luks
they load the MB page from javascript, parse it and then use the data
2007-05-07 12746, 2007
Aankhen``
If it's a simple XMLHttpRequest, then it should be easier still to have a seperate XML-only representation of the data they want.
2007-05-07 12702, 2007
catgroove
I thought about something..
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luks
Aankhen``: but the XML representations isn't available
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Aankhen``
catgroove: XHTML is a reformulation of HTML as XML. It basically offers zero benefit at this point apart from being XML.
2007-05-07 12711, 2007
luks
the XHTML page is
2007-05-07 12712, 2007
catgroove
it would be neat if one could have different 'modes' to mb
2007-05-07 12725, 2007
yllona
luks may i sen you links by e-mail?
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Aankhen``
luks: Mmm hmm. Fair enough.
2007-05-07 12745, 2007
catgroove
like, if I am on an 'AR adding spree' I want maybe other links than if I'm checking which artists I'm subscribed too
And I don't have a src/modules/perl/libperl.a in my apache src dir
2007-05-07 12748, 2007
yllona
oh and one more thought. since MB is a US non-profit organization, then MB needs to comply to section 508 -- http://section508.gov/
2007-05-07 12729, 2007
catgroove
but to do that I haveto got to all those pages, (and since i wanted to see if I was subscribed already and if the artist had any subscribers) I click 'details, then 'subscribe' that's a lot of stuff
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yllona
which is essentially WCAG (w3c accessibility guidelines)... sorry folks -- we have to go there for legal reasons
2007-05-07 12727, 2007
yllona
and catgroove needs to hush up ;)
2007-05-07 12733, 2007
ruaok
wow. 3 hours of work and PicardQT let me tag 7500 files with a snap. The remaining 1500 are going to be more work.
2007-05-07 12757, 2007
FauxFaux
WCAG are great fun, especially as the validator is completely useless. :/
2007-05-07 12700, 2007
FauxFaux has played this game before.
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catgroove
yllona: don't sweat it, I know what you mean, my mother is in a wheelchair, remember? ;) I just meant the practical way, that even thought it in theory 'should' be better, it isn't possible to use musicbrainz for EDITING, practically, without basic screen and keyboard usability
2007-05-07 12738, 2007
catgroove
and.. what?
2007-05-07 12741, 2007
yllona
FauxFaux: me too, but the US gov't has a separate validator
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yllona
FauxFaux: and it works
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FauxFaux
I've tried the bobby (or whtaever it is) one too.
2007-05-07 12706, 2007
aCiD2
Aha, I do now that I've build mod_perl
2007-05-07 12716, 2007
catgroove
I had an idea today about somethignthat might be usefull to mb, (just a vauge idea, mind) popped in my head.. i'm not alowed to say it?
2007-05-07 12739, 2007
ruaok stops tagging and actually starts working
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catgroove
and I still don't understand what is xml and why html is bad
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FauxFaux
catgroove: It's harder for computers to read. :p
2007-05-07 12711, 2007
yllona
FauxFaux: bobby is one of many. i'm not kidding we need to get our house in order regarding accessibility, esp since google is a "sponsor"
2007-05-07 12714, 2007
FauxFaux
I want to hear your idea!
2007-05-07 12718, 2007
catgroove
does ending a <br> tag with <br /> makethe page loadfaster?
2007-05-07 12725, 2007
catgroove
FauxFaux: lol
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Jugdish
well as a greasemonkey-er, i for one am excited that with xhtml i can actually get an XMLHttpRequest back in xml format
2007-05-07 12732, 2007
FauxFaux
catgroove: Technically, yes.
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catgroove
ok then
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catgroove
it's basically a "geek" thing?
2007-05-07 12701, 2007
catgroove
I am all underthat, totally understand
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catgroove
but people need to stop swaeting about it so much ;)
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FauxFaux
Yeah, it's basically a geek thing. I't "better" in a technical sense, and noboyd else will ever notice. :p
2007-05-07 12728, 2007
catgroove
as long as the site*works* i'm happy
2007-05-07 12738, 2007
catgroove
FauxFaux: that's what I thought
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catgroove
:)
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yllona gives up on the script kiddies, notes that ruaok and I need to talk business
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catgroove
yllona: are you mad?
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catgroove
read my note to you
2007-05-07 12724, 2007
yllona
nope. just frustrated. which is an entirely different matter :)
2007-05-07 12726, 2007
luks
yllona: re: google is a "sponsor" - check googles homepage :)
2007-05-07 12710, 2007
yllona
luks: MB has received funds from the google foundation, check with ruaok
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ruaok raises his and and goes HUH?
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luks
yllona: I just mean that google's pages are the opposite of accessibility :)
you could easily use the IBM libraries for accessibility, they've placed the libraries into open source
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ruaok
but a ncessary one.
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yllona
ruaok: no it's not the clusterfuck it used to be... it's become quite easy these days. section 508 was mandated in 1997/98 since then it's quite easy (ie you don't need to roll your own solution)
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Freso
XHTML is also more future proof than HTML, as browsers will (ever so) slowly be able to drop the (clunky) HTML parsing in favour of XML + XSL (or other form of styling), which could cover far more ground than HTML: MathML, MusicXML, DocBook, …
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Freso
(A tad late, but was on the phone with SO.)
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luks
Freso: not sure about that...
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yllona
most of the major technology vendors have been section 508 compliant from the get-go. IBM, Sun, Apple, etc
2007-05-07 12720, 2007
luks
HTML 5 development seems to be more active than XHTML 2
2007-05-07 12726, 2007
yllona
adobe too.
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FauxFaux
Noes, not more sgml.
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ruaok
yllona: what specific do we not comply with?
2007-05-07 12745, 2007
yllona
ruaok: i don't type fast enough, may i call you
2007-05-07 12701, 2007
ruaok
can we talk tomorrow?
2007-05-07 12713, 2007
ruaok
I wanna catch up on a ton of email that has piled up.
2007-05-07 12724, 2007
yllona
yeah, that works. sen me an e-mail with your availibility
2007-05-07 12754, 2007
ruaok
anytime afternoon tomorrow is fine
2007-05-07 12701, 2007
yllona
or just cal me when you get the chance
2007-05-07 12719, 2007
yllona
tomorrow pm? that's good for me
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ruaok
k
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Freso
luks: HTML 5 would need more development than XHTML 2, I'd think. IMHO/AFAIK, XHTML is 'just another' XML-module after XHTML 1.1, which would mean that a lot of stuff can be handled in other areas. I'd also think that whatever is to be done with HTML 5 is probably also 'ported' to XHTML 2.
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Freso
FauxFaux: XML is SGML. :)
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FauxFaux
Freso: Don't make me go workout how to type the subset operator. ;p
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aCiD2
So what should I be doing -- sticking with HTML 4.01 Strict, or going XHTML 1.1?
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FauxFaux
XHTML!¬
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luks
Freso: HTML5 features will never make it to XHTML2
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luks
it's completely different ideology
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Freso
aCiD2: I'd say XHTML.
2007-05-07 12727, 2007
luks
HTML5 is about rich web applications, XHTML is about documents
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aCiD2
Ok
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aCiD2
"DBI connect('dbname=template1;host=localhost;port=5431','postgres',...) failed: could not connect to server: Connection refused at /home/acid2/brainz/StructuredXHTML/admin/../cgi-bin/MusicBrainz.pm line 85" -- think that's an auth problem?
2007-05-07 12708, 2007
yllona agrees with freso on the "SGML is XML" issue as she was writing SGML DTDs in 1989 :)
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Freso
yllona: That's not really an issue, AFAIK. IIRC, XML is defined from SGML - meant to be a simplified form of SGML.
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aCiD2 was only just born in 1989
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aCiD2 shakes his fist at postgres
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ruaok
1989?
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aCiD2
Yup
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ruaok
whoah.
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ruaok started college that year.
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aCiD2
:)
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ruaok
what's the issue with postgres?
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srotta
It's too powerful! 8)
2007-05-07 12708, 2007
aCiD2
"FATAL: Ident authentication failed for user "postgres""
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aCiD2
Authentication issues.. can never work em out :(
2007-05-07 12731, 2007
yllona
Freso yep, i agree. my point being that's there's been plenty of time to adapt, at least in the US
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srotta
I'm actually planning on installing PostGIS and play around with that.
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Freso
yllona: Not sure I follow. :)
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ruaok
aCiD2: did you install from binaries?
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ruaok
you'll need to hack on pg_hba.conf;
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aCiD2
ruaok: I just left what was already on my server when I bought it
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aCiD2
My working postgres setup has "local all all trust" in pg_hba.conf, but my current server has the method "ident sameuser"
