BriaG: might be worth mentioning new a9 out yesterday
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afk|raccoonz
How do I sign stuff on the wiki?
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afk|raccoonz
@SIG@ isn't working on the preview
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afk|raccoonz
afk|raccoonz is now known as aCiD2
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luks
it does on save
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aCiD2
I see
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aCiD2
Do I need the -- ??
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luks
nope
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aCiD2
ok
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BrianFreud
lol, I always just manually typed it out :P
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BrianFreud
btw luks, props- analyze seems to be a lot faster w/a9 vs a8
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luks
for what file format? mp3?
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BrianFreud
all
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luks
hm
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BrianFreud
mainly been hitting the ones that were slowest - ogg and flac
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luks
there shouldn't be much difference
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BrianFreud
at least twice as fast on my system
2007-05-13 13308, 2007
BrianFreud
got some wierd ctd's, but nothing apparent in the log, apart from the one bug report I put in
2007-05-13 13342, 2007
BrianFreud
also looks like the invisible files issue got fixed, though, like I added to my bug ticket, PUIDs aren't submitting
2007-05-13 13319, 2007
BrianFreud
been running a bunch of randomness on it, trying to kill it with anything that used to screw up a8 :)
2007-05-13 13304, 2007
BrianFreud
only guaranteed way to kill a9, or at least, screw it up, is still to hit 0 space left on PicardDrive or SaveFileDrive
2007-05-13 13329, 2007
BrianFreud
four more features, and I'll be a happy camper :) (--> sorting the left side; the menu for char to select replacement char for each invalid char; some cross platform solution to the 0 space issue; and most important, the ability to analyze and submit PUIDs for already ID'd files). :)
2007-05-13 13305, 2007
BrianFreud
but really, props... it's such an improvement over the old picard, and a hell of a lot faster and more stable
2007-05-13 13307, 2007
luks
sorting is tricky
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BrianFreud
the UI is a lot more friendly than the old one - just very impressed with the job you've done
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BrianFreud
yeah, I saw the discussion with catgroove yest
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luks
no, I mean something different
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luks
the default Qt sorting functions will not help me
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BrianFreud
perhaps just sort on unicode value, avoid language specific sorting issues?
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luks
because I need to sort only some branches, not the whole tree
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BrianFreud
hmmmmm
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luks
and extending the tree view in python would be too slow
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BrianFreud
I always assumed, I guess, that it would sort on artist branch, then album sub-branch
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luks
yes, but not tracks for example
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BrianFreud
do tracks really need to sort?
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luks
not in albums
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BrianFreud
on the right side - yes, exactly
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luks
but they do in clusters
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luks
which is why it needs custom sorting system
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BrianFreud
maybe only sort if track # is set in the tags?
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BrianFreud
(ok, lol, add #5 to my happyness list... some solution for the cluster adding issue re: missing tracks in clusters)
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BrianFreud
but really, does the cluster side need to sort?
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luks
I guess so
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BrianFreud
The way I use picard, I can ID any file or cluster on the left. It's the unsortedness on the right side which makes matching up files annoying
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luks
if you have lots of clusters it can be useful to sort them
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BrianFreud
well, the way I see it, yes, that is true, but as long as one side is sorted, the task becomes MUCH less difficult to match up the one with the other
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BrianFreud
plus, tags on the left are normally messy to begin with, so sorting there, apart maybe from artist or release name, isn't all that useful
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BrianFreud
the track-based sorting you implimented in a9 for clusters seems to work - any way to just keep it, and implement sorting around it?
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BrianFreud
oh, btw, I haven't updated the bug ticket, but even with the last.fm plugins removed, I'm still seeing that invalid directory notice in the log - removing that one plugin did make a difference though (Picard doesn't crash on load without it, it did crash on load with it)
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luks
that notice is ok, it looks for at least three plugin locations
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luks
it did crash?
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luks
what kind of crash do you mean?
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BrianFreud
I don't actually use last.fm, but I pulled down the plugin to test it. With the new plug in in the plugins dir, Picard QT either crashes on load, or loads, but I can't do anything w/o a crash.
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BrianFreud
If I remove it, all is good - I just still see the invalid dir line item in the log.
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luks
define "crash" please :)
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luks
the usual crash dialog that wants you to send debug info to MS?
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BrianFreud
Well, nothing works - trying to pull up the about menu, for example - then, in a max of 5 seconds, it closes, with no
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BrianFreud
"bug happened, written to log" message, and nothing in the log
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luks
that's a different log
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luks
in the program directory, picard.exe.log
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BrianFreud
I posted a clean log for it in the bug ticket
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BrianFreud
there are multiple logs? Only knew about the one in E:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Local Settings\Application Data\MusicBrainz Picard\logs
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luks
E:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Local Settings\Application Data\MusicBrainz Picard\logs are runtime logs
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BrianFreud
right
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BrianFreud
where is the other? I'll check and test
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luks
C:\Program Files\<picard>\picard.exe.log is written only if something wrong happens that the program didn't catch
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BrianFreud
hmmm, let me look...
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BrianFreud
(e: is windowsdrive on my system, btw)
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BrianFreud
ah, ok.... that other log may maybe point to the reasons for the two different types of crashes I've seen with a9
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BrianFreud
actually, looks like 4 different sources for the various crashes I've seen
"AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'name'" - last.fm plugin in wrong directory, I guess
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luks
and I think the KeyError ones are casused by "IOError: [Errno 28] No space left on device"
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BrianFreud
well, on the first, that one I couldn't match to any particular issue. 800 mb on each drive, no lat.fm plugin in plugins dir. Only thing I could tie it to was heavy cpu use at load time.
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luks
oh, wait
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BrianFreud
the last.fm one was fixed by deleting the last.fm plugin
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luks
the plugin name should be 'lastfm', not 'last.fm'
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BrianFreud
the others I bypassed by manually matching and savingthe files before the analysis routine ran on them
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BrianFreud
I left the last.fm plugins with the name as it is on the website, to avoid any such issues
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luks
the website says to move them to directory 'lastfm'
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BrianFreud
the file-based errors, by the way, were with 1 gb on each device at the time
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BrianFreud
ah, that might be it - I just put them in E:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Local Settings\Application Data\MusicBrainz Picard\plugins
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BrianFreud
:P
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luks
so you have e.g. plugins/coverart.py plugins/lastfm/__init__.py
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BrianFreud
?
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BrianFreud
Do you mean E:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Local Settings\Application Data\MusicBrainz Picard\lastfm\plugins?
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luks
no, nevemind, I'm just too slow :)
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BrianFreud
lol
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BrianFreud
just trying to break it (and figure out how it broke) the best I can :)
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BrianFreud
One other wierdness I've noticed... I'm running a dual cpu system. I don't know if the same would be true of a system with muti-threading, or if PQT even supports multithreading, but it seems too consistant to be anything other...
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BrianFreud
When I use analyze on load, and load a bunch of files, every other file analyzes, and the "in-between" files never seem to analzye.
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luks
hmm
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BrianFreud
So, say I have 10 files. Files 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, and 9 will analyze, but 4, 6, 8, and 10 never do.
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luks
and they stay as 'pending'?
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BrianFreud
Odd part is, if its the unclustered part, or in a cluster, that first out-of-every-other-pattern file WILL analyze, but only that first will.
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BrianFreud
So # 2 will analyze, but never 4 6 8 or 10
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BrianFreud
Kind of seems like it's trying to spawn a second thread, and analyzing the first off the second thread, but never getting a "ok, file analyzed, move on to next file" message for that second thread
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luks
yep
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BrianFreud
but once it moves on to the (next) cluster, that resets, and it again will do one file, but only one file.
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BrianFreud
This is new, by the way, with a9. a8 always analyzed them all.
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luks
oh, then I think I know where is the problem
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BrianFreud
:)
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BrianFreud
Don't you just hate the day after you release a new version? :P
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BrianFreud
Again though, serious props - much better performance, many less crashes, and a hell of a lot better UI than the old Picard
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luks
this happens always, I'm getting used to it :)
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BrianFreud wishes his programming talents were able to do more than just clearly identify the source of the problem
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luks
but that's mainly the reason why I call it "alpha" for now
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luks
I mess with the code quite often
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BrianFreud
lol, well, that's partially why you get such serious props from me for your ability to actually write the thing... It's easy to find faults, and semi-easy to figure out why the faults happen. It's hard to write it in the first place and find a way to fix those faults.
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luks
the problem why I introduce new bugs so often is that this basically the complete first GUI program that does heavy background processing I ever wrote
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luks
I was having hard time figuring out what would be the best way to do it
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BrianFreud
hell, new bugs = easy to ID. I'll keep in mind mentioning when they're new to a version if it helps find the source
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BrianFreud
I wish my skills were still good enough to write it in the first place :P
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BrianFreud
Even with it skipping files, it does seem to crash a hell of a lot less often on analysis - that actually may be why it seems to analyse so much faster... Easy to manually drag "yet to be analyzed" files from the left to the right when half a release cluster has already been ID'd
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BrianFreud
However it works, I know I've submitted more PUIDs since yesterday morning that then total I've submitted to MB in the previous 2 years....
2007-05-13 13337, 2007
BrianFreud
I've never crashed writing them to files with the MusicIP util, but I have to wonder about that one - seems a bit odd in that they don
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BrianFreud
don't save release info or mbid
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BrianFreud
I did mean to ask you though, about the genpuid util - every time I've tried to run it lately, everything seems to return "invalid"
