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      • SerialNumber
        And guess case says Mothers Against Noise, Volume 1 :)

        • 2007-06-03 15455, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        ruaok: he's around, just doesn't seem to be at the computer - his last.fm shows last track 5 hours ago. Probably sleeping or cleaning. :)

        • 2007-06-03 15401, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        Quite a mess...

        • 2007-06-03 15421, 2007

      • ruaok
        heh. probably asleep.

        • 2007-06-03 15431, 2007

      • ruaok
        almost midnight here, so nearly 1am there.

        • 2007-06-03 15409, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        lol

        • 2007-06-03 15451, 2007

      • ruaok
        ok, we'll I'm going to take my silly ass to bed. I've got to be up in 5 hours. :-(

        • 2007-06-03 15406, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        G'night :)

        • 2007-06-03 15412, 2007

      • ruaok
        g'nite!

        • 2007-06-03 15416, 2007

      • ruaok has quit

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      • Chise|Solid has quit

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      • Chise|Solid joined the channel

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      • SerialNumber
        When an artist's web site moves, should the old web site be kept in the ARs with an end date or simply be removed?

        • 2007-06-03 15442, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        If you click on info for the AR, you can also do an update edit

        • 2007-06-03 15451, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        keeps the url history together

        • 2007-06-03 15414, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        oh, from info... I tried to look for it from edit.

        • 2007-06-03 15423, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        I thought it was odd there was no "update"-function :)

        • 2007-06-03 15445, 2007

      • Citizen
        http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=6970147 how can i fix this now? can i edit an edit?

        • 2007-06-03 15445, 2007

      • Citizen
        the release has 'limited edition' on the cover, included in the artwork

        • 2007-06-03 15455, 2007

      • pankkake
        click on the release title, then "edit title"

        • 2007-06-03 15458, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        You can just edit the one you're entering.

        • 2007-06-03 15451, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        Sorry if I seemed rude commenting on that edit there, though. I didn't realize until now how blunt that looks like. :)

        • 2007-06-03 15426, 2007

      • Citizen
        np at all

        • 2007-06-03 15451, 2007

      • Citizen
        but i don't understand your suggestion... 'edit the one i'm entering' ?

        • 2007-06-03 15404, 2007

      • Citizen
        ah, pankkake... didn't saw your line

        • 2007-06-03 15422, 2007

      • Citizen
        http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=6981259 should be okay now I hope

        • 2007-06-03 15444, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        ah, my first pseudo-release :P

        • 2007-06-03 15451, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        BrianFreud, you must feel proud. :)

        • 2007-06-03 15455, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        :P

        • 2007-06-03 15403, 2007

      • Citizen
        hmm? where?

        • 2007-06-03 15413, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        I'm listening to slowed down Rick Astley.

        • 2007-06-03 15414, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        Well, it's either enter the English translation (or it might be a transliteration?)

        • 2007-06-03 15421, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        Or figure out how to type Japanese :P

        • 2007-06-03 15422, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=6981259

        • 2007-06-03 15427, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        Slowed down songs are always hilarious.

        • 2007-06-03 15406, 2007

      • Citizen
        my edit?

        • 2007-06-03 15437, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        Whoops. Wrong link.

        • 2007-06-03 15452, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFakfIgUohU meant to link you to this awesome video.

        • 2007-06-03 15405, 2007

      • Citizen
        btw: since when does MB has labels? am i supposed to add to all my previously added releases now all lables? and i remember those LC numbers should be added too but i don't see them anymore...

        • 2007-06-03 15438, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        I think I said to you the other night that I'm new, so all I know is that they've been there for longer than a month.

        • 2007-06-03 15408, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        And you should just edit the ones you've already entered but I guess that's what you meant.

        • 2007-06-03 15411, 2007

      • Citizen
        yeah, maybe others can say something :)

        • 2007-06-03 15412, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        Label Codes you add from the label page

        • 2007-06-03 15458, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        BTW, I didn't realize until a few days ago that PicardQT can generate PUIDs. Isn't that supposed to be impossible?

        • 2007-06-03 15445, 2007

      • muz
        It analyzes and matches it up to an existing PUID on MIP's servers iirc

        • 2007-06-03 15458, 2007

      • muz
        If the puid doesn't already exist on the MIP server, picard'll do shit all

        • 2007-06-03 15438, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        Yeah, but wasn't there legal troubles against generating PUIDs?

        • 2007-06-03 15452, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        Because PicardQT is open source, PUID generation not, or something?

        • 2007-06-03 15424, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        muz: sortof - If the PUID isn't on the MB server, but one has previously been generated by an analysis run at MusicIP, QT can do a fingerprint run on the file and get the PUID from MusicIP

        • 2007-06-03 15453, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        But if MusicIP hasn't ever analysed that file to generate a PUID, QT can't generate one itself

        • 2007-06-03 15454, 2007

      • muz
        That'd be the badger

        • 2007-06-03 15458, 2007

      • Citizen
        so where to add the label code for the totem limited edition here? http://musicbrainz.org/label/2320b1fe-1f61-431b-a…

        • 2007-06-03 15444, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        Edit Label

        • 2007-06-03 15446, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        I see. Thanks for the info.

        • 2007-06-03 15453, 2007

      • Citizen
        hmm... okay... the label code is always the same?

        • 2007-06-03 15419, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        for a given label, yes

        • 2007-06-03 15429, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        not the cat #, but the LC-00000 number

        • 2007-06-03 15403, 2007

      • Citizen
        yes, i mean this LC-00000 number

        • 2007-06-03 15405, 2007

      • Citizen
        okay...

        • 2007-06-03 15436, 2007

      • Citizen
        should it be added as LC-00000 or without the LC- ?

        • 2007-06-03 15450, 2007

      • Citizen
        i guess without...

        • 2007-06-03 15403, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        I think it's mentioned in the info, check that.

        • 2007-06-03 15411, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        without - the system adds the LC

        • 2007-06-03 15445, 2007

      • Citizen
        hmm... but I can't provide any web source for the number, i've just taken it from a CD

        • 2007-06-03 15412, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        Put "Liner notes" and check the label's web site.

        • 2007-06-03 15427, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        I wonder if Discogs has them...

        • 2007-06-03 15457, 2007

      • Citizen
        no information at the label's website

        • 2007-06-03 15440, 2007

      • Citizen
        liner notes? is my english this bad? i would say, it means 'pen notes'

        • 2007-06-03 15432, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        lol

        • 2007-06-03 15439, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        Liner notes are the text in the album's booklet/covers

        • 2007-06-03 15452, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        At least I use it for covers as well, easier to just mindlessly type "liner notes + (url)" :)

        • 2007-06-03 15454, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        yes, the cover and other paper stuff in the CD = liner

        • 2007-06-03 15409, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        Discogs had nothing on them, appears that you're just going to have to put "liner notes".

        • 2007-06-03 15415, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        *nothing on the LC

        • 2007-06-03 15459, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        perhaps a bad assumption to make, but I normally assume anyone who enters a LC knows enough about what they're doing to have checked it from liner notes or some such place

        • 2007-06-03 15416, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        So "liner notes" in the edit notes normally works for me

        • 2007-06-03 15453, 2007

      • Citizen
        okay :) http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=6981462

        • 2007-06-03 15454, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        In my time (of course, not long), I haven't seen one troll in MB, so usually liner notes are enough for me as well.

        • 2007-06-03 15407, 2007

      • Citizen
        and i wonder where the LC is shown now... i don't see it *snif*

        • 2007-06-03 15410, 2007

      • Citizen
        MB is difficult

        • 2007-06-03 15430, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        lol, you get the hang of it :P

        • 2007-06-03 15451, 2007

      • Citizen
        hmmm

        • 2007-06-03 15420, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        BTW, Citizen, what's Janus like?

        • 2007-06-03 15437, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        I saw a Kafka reference in a song of theirs and being your edit, I assume you listen to them?

        • 2007-06-03 15443, 2007

      • Citizen
        uh... hard to tell, sort of rock music, they are in the german gothic scene but known as a "different" group...

        • 2007-06-03 15412, 2007

      • Citizen
        their lyrics are very important

        • 2007-06-03 15421, 2007

      • Citizen
        and yes, they have a Kafka song

        • 2007-06-03 15431, 2007

      • Citizen
        i love that one

        • 2007-06-03 15433, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        Damn, my German's very rusty. :)

        • 2007-06-03 15401, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=6970091 || http://www.discogs.com/image/R-958928-1177892236.…

        • 2007-06-03 15407, 2007

      • Citizen
        here you can get some impressions of their latest work... http://www.knochenhaus.de/musik/content_downloads…

        • 2007-06-03 15419, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        Another one of those "wow, artist intent is annoying"... On the cover it's seemingly kaRuna?

        • 2007-06-03 15430, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        Thanks.

        • 2007-06-03 15456, 2007

      • Citizen
        yes, it is kaRuna

        • 2007-06-03 15402, 2007

      • Citizen
        i have the CD here next to me

        • 2007-06-03 15418, 2007

      • Citizen
        it's an instrumental song, so no lyrics...

        • 2007-06-03 15446, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        We shall bow to our master, BrianFreud, and ask for assistance? I think it should be kaRuna due to artist intent.

        • 2007-06-03 15440, 2007

      • pyrotech joined the channel

        • 2007-06-03 15409, 2007

      • pyrotech
        does anyone know how to fix the "Unable to retrieve trm info from server" error?

        • 2007-06-03 15419, 2007

      • pyrotech
        I am using the classic tagger 0.10.5 on windows

        • 2007-06-03 15438, 2007

      • dholmes
        Nope. I personally fix it by not using the classic tagger. Does TRM even still work?

        • 2007-06-03 15452, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        I think it does, dholmes, 'til sometime this month.

        • 2007-06-03 15407, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        I agree on that you should probably upgrade to Picard or QT.

        • 2007-06-03 15432, 2007

      • dholmes
        Definitely Qt if you ask me. It's got some bugs and it's not complete but I already vastly prefer it

        • 2007-06-03 15400, 2007

      • pyrotech
        k Ill try and upgrade

        • 2007-06-03 15410, 2007

      • SerialNumber
        I use QT but it's got these random slowdowns... Don't know if it's my computer wasting resources or what.

        • 2007-06-03 15430, 2007

      • dholmes
        It works pretty differently from the classic tagger though, so it takes some getting used to and it might not necessarily be what you want

        • 2007-06-03 15451, 2007

      • dholmes
        Is there still a style guideline for "correct obvious spelling/grammar mistakes"? I seem to recall there being one but I can't find it

        • 2007-06-03 15405, 2007

      • dholmes
        wtf? MusicBrainz has forums? Wow, I've been totally out of it

        • 2007-06-03 15415, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        they're kind of dead though

        • 2007-06-03 15422, 2007

      • dholmes
        Huh

        • 2007-06-03 15424, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        mostly the same people as in here and the mailing lists

        • 2007-06-03 15434, 2007

      • dholmes
        I suppose that's understandable

        • 2007-06-03 15442, 2007

      • dholmes
        Anyways, I'm wondering about http://musicbrainz.org/mod/search/results.html?ob…

        • 2007-06-03 15416, 2007

      • dholmes
        It was changed to "Lyndale's", which is grammatically correct, but the actual cover says "Lyndales". It's a bootleg so there isn't really any artist intent

        • 2007-06-03 15412, 2007

      • dholmes
        http://www.thirdav.com/hd_discog/img/lyncd.html

        • 2007-06-03 15426, 2007

      • dholmes
        I kinda wanna change it back to "Lyndales" but I'm not really sure

        • 2007-06-03 15432, 2007

      • dholmes
        Also, if an album is released on vinyl and then converted to CD, with a bunch of identical versions, and they all have different titles, should they all be the same Release?

        • 2007-06-03 15435, 2007

      • pyrotech has quit

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      • Citizen
        oh well... i never thought that music can be THIS difficult and full of rules... i just enjoyed it *g*

        • 2007-06-03 15448, 2007

      • dholmes
        Haha

        • 2007-06-03 15458, 2007

      • dholmes
        Yeah, Musicbrainz causes me so many headaches

        • 2007-06-03 15438, 2007

      • dholmes
        I love it though. How else can I fulfill my obsessive-compulsive need for all my music to be perfectly digitally catalogued?

        • 2007-06-03 15408, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        lol, yup

        • 2007-06-03 15428, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        My obsessive file naming script as perfect example

        • 2007-06-03 15429, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        lol

        • 2007-06-03 15403, 2007

      • dholmes
        One of my goals in life is to have all music that exists digitally, as lossless files, perfectly tagged

        • 2007-06-03 15411, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        good luck :P

        • 2007-06-03 15424, 2007

      • dholmes
        I figure by the time I finish, storage technology will have reached the point that I can store it all

        • 2007-06-03 15459, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        for the moment, I'd just settle for the last 5000 tracks I have that aren't in the database being cleaned up

        • 2007-06-03 15414, 2007

      • Citizen
        dholmes good luck, but i doubt you can ever achieve this goal...

        • 2007-06-03 15427, 2007

      • dholmes
        Well, I could certainly never achieve it by myself