For the official ones, each band seems to have a different standard being used, depending on who's cleaned it up and what the subscribers for that band have decided on
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cooperaa
oh so official concert recordings
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BrianFreud
yeag
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BrianFreud
like that Metallica official one I'd thought was bootleg, remember?
i would say that a section needs to be added to LBS instead for these "Instant Live" type stuff
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BrianFreud
problem is, "Bootleg" specifically excludes these
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cooperaa
the only difference should be Official/Bootleg
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BrianFreud
LiveOfficialStyle?
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cooperaa
no
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drsaunde
yes but it will still be the same style
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BrianFreud
rather, LiveOfficialStyles?
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cooperaa
the only difference in the releases will be the release status (Official or Bootleg)
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drsaunde
should be a part of LBS for simplicity as the style is already laid out
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BrianFreud
drsaude: To a great extent, yes... but you get things slightly different, like Pearl Jam, who numbered each show
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cooperaa
pearl jam is silly
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drsaunde
then that would be included as part of the title then and thats covered in that style
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BrianFreud
I figure it's not really a style guideline as much as a central listing for bands doing official recordings, so we have some sort of reference out there
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cooperaa
I don't think we should start making a list of exceptions to rules..,
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BrianFreud
It's not really exceptions, it's more a list of extentions to the LBS rules
ugh, do we seriously need the "concert recording number" on pearl jam releases?
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drsaunde
creating a "list" of said artists seems like a meaningless waste of time IMHO
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ojnkpjg
it amazes me that people actually buy those CDs
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ojnkpjg
i've seen them in record shops for about the going rate for new albums
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BrianFreud
drsaunde: Well, take the Metallica one I was adding. I had no idea it wasn't a bootleg, til cooperaa pointed out Met now was doing official releases
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drsaunde
i have 1..the pixies reunion show I went to....that I had to wait 10 months from ticket purchase to show date
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drsaunde
and no...i don't really ever listen to it..more for nostalgia
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cooperaa
I purchased my first two Metallica concerts :)
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BrianFreud
I'm not a big Pixies fan, but I gather they have "PixieDiscs" which are CD concerts, plus the site drsaunde linked to has Pixie show downloads
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ojnkpjg
around 1999-2001 or so i was obsessive about collecting godspeed you black emeperor bootlegs
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ojnkpjg
i came to the realization they were mostly just all the same
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ojnkpjg
and saved myself a lot of disk space
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BrianFreud
lol, yeah, I did the same from Nirvana back when I was seriously collecting them
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drsaunde
Brian: not a download...instant live...show recording available on cd after the show
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ojnkpjg
they also kind of ruined new albums because there was never anything they hadn't previously played live
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cooperaa
ojnkpjg: same for me a few years ago (met boots) but now I'm back into it cuz I love hearing the songs
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BrianFreud
drsaunde: Same category to me... insta-cds, mailed cds, mp3 show downloads, just a media difference :P
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BrianFreud
like TMBG, they only sell as mp3 packages :P
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ojnkpjg
my "to listen to" queue is way too big to be listening to live performances of songs i've already heard these days :/
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ojnkpjg
but i still manage to not manage to reduce it by nearly enough
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drsaunde
so true ojnkpjg
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ojnkpjg
i want to try to force myself to go 6 months without listening to anything i've heard already
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BrianFreud
Don't you love, though, when you find out some recording you thought was official is actually a bootleg? :P
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BrianFreud
Ran into a Ry Cooder bootleg in my collection last night
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drsaunde has all but eliminated live tracks from his computer
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cooperaa
BrianFreud: there's no way you could'v eknown
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cooperaa
I just happened to know that metallica has been releasing live shows since 2004 so I checked
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BrianFreud
cooperaa: exactly. Hence why a list like this might help other people avoid errors like that
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cooperaa
no one will find the wiki page :)
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ojnkpjg
i heard a couple of radiohead bootlegs from the netherlands around when they released that live cd that were noticeably better than the official release
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BrianFreud
Backlinks in artist annotations are easy if the page already exists :)
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cooperaa
and the people who don't need to look will fix the edits
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cooperaa
why not put a note (like I did on the Metallica page)
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cooperaa
because that's going to get the same "publicity" that a link to Wiki from the annotation will
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BrianFreud
Well, with all the other "series" wiki pages Elliott's creating, I figured this was a decent one to add :P
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BrianFreud
though the whole "series" wiki page thing is getting crazy... tons of new wiki pages this week
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cooperaa
I believe the series wiki pages are to explain how to enter titles correctly,e tc
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drsaunde
ojnkpjg: It's interesting you would mention that...the radiohead late 2000 tour...many live versions i actually prefer to the kid a versions (so those have remained :-)
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BrianFreud
same here for Paranoid Android, actually :P
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cooperaa
drsaunde & ojnkpjg: how do you manage your "to listen to" queues?
2007-06-01 15205, 2007
cooperaa
fancy dynamic playlists?
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drsaunde
i like MusicIP mini 10 track random playlists
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BrianFreud
sheer randomness here
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drsaunde
or even 55,000 tracks all on random
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BrianFreud
whatever I feel like playing at any moment
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cooperaa
BrianFreud: that for me too sometimes, but how do you fit new stuff in you've never heard before?
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BrianFreud
it normally goes to the top, once
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BrianFreud
like right now - you'll laugh...
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drsaunde
i will specifically listen to newer stuff that i want to hear
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BrianFreud
David Newman - Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure / Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey
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BrianFreud
:P
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drsaunde
is that Fathead?
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cooperaa
I recently obtained a collection of billboard hits
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cooperaa
from 1946 to 2005... best addition to my collection
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BrianFreud
drsaunde: soundtrack to the 2 movies
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drsaunde
but was it Fathead doing the soundtracks...or a diff David Newman?
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BrianFreud
not sure who Fathead is... It's the same DN who scored a lot of other soundtracks around then
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drsaunde
Fathead is a jazz saxophonist..known for work with Ray Charles...but has done lots of stuff..probably not him tho
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BrianFreud
I doubt it then - it's mostly an orchestral score
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BrianFreud
with some electric guitar mixed in - no sax though
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BrianFreud
Hmmm, is it just me, or is anyone else just getting blank pages from last.fm today?
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cooperaa
every once in a while
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cooperaa
but that seems normal to me
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drsaunde
that where CBS is implanting the mind control devices
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drsaunde
*that's
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BrianFreud
lol
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drsaunde
soon you will have to listen to Gwen Stefani, Fergie and Lindsay Lohan
anyone had any luck installing libtunepimp on a windows box?
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eckdoug
Hi. I've set up a development server. I can read the db using psqll, can launch the webserver, can search vla lucent .But I can never seem to get data for, e.g. artists. So a search for tom waits yields his relationships but says This artist has no releases. I think it may be a read permission problem with postgres but I'm really not sure. Any hints? Is this kind of stuff logged somewhere by mb_server?
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eckdoug
Hi. I've set up a development server. I can read the db using psqll, can launch the webserver, can search vla lucent .But I can never seem to get data for, e.g. artists. So a search for tom waits yields his relationships but says This artist has no releases. I think it may be a read permission problem with postgres but I'm really not sure. Any hints? Is this kind of stuff logged somewhere by mb_server?
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Citizen
hi
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Citizen
I would like to add a bootleg and there are some tracks that contain two or three songs, sort of medley - how to name those tracks? title1 / title2 / and so on?
