#musicbrainz

yeah

But then again I'm still waiting for a player with multi-genre support

yeah basically, labels

are any of you using PicardQT and the disc # plugin?

i'm having a hard time making a distinction between 'genre' and 'tag' (or label)

I'm not even aware of PicardQt plugins

lol

nope i don't have any plugins installed

I've only been using it a couple days

lol me too

Well, Genres are a bit of a mess in general

yeah

tags are a bit more erratic and less formal than genres

I find them too subjective to let any outside source do the identifying for me

you end up with 150 "genres", most of which mean nothing to me

I would if it was just "pick one", but the Last.fm tag cloud concept works pretty well for me

Mine is simple: General Music, Jazz, Classical, Spoken Word, Country, Soundtrack

It may provide 150, but only a couple will be big

That's a bit too simple for me

I want a jazz song from a video game soundtrack to be "Game, Jass, Soundtrack" and for selecting any one of those three in my player it should match

well, that's one reason the way I've done it works - if you want more genres, you can name them as you want

Any that don't have pre-defined roles (classical, soundtrack) are just treated as whatever you call them in taggerscript

so it's easy to add more

Come to think of it, BMPx might make a strong case for the remaster/multiple release thing

What would BMPx do if you tried to add two sets of files that are tagged as being the same album in MB?

you mean add to the library?

Yeah

it would add them twice, as long as they are not at the same location

that is, on the same volume (HAL), and same volume relative root path

or, in short, not the same files, heh

Okay

Would they appear as two different albums?

yeah

Okay, I guess that sorta works

the library is kinda complex in 0.4, it can deal with such situations

how would it figure out which track was which release though?

it will be still sort of confusing to users, but at least they wiill appear as 2 entities

Okay

ah hmm

same release, in same folder

well ok, that won't work

it doesn't look at the filenames directly

If you have two sets of 12 tracks, and each track n has the same mbid, how to distinguish?

BrianFreud: yeah that won't work

or, it will work, but they will appear as one release i guess

hmm actually the library is really complex, i am not sure how they would be presented to the user

i'd have to test such a case

lol, well, that's the case he's thinking of :P

a "normal" Nevermind, and a MFSL Nevermind

Well, they wouldn't have to be in the same folder

Picard would put them in one at the moment of course

if they're not in the same folder, they will be seen separately

BMP does a lot of stuff with paths, it will keep them with a different insert_path attribute

which will qualify them enough to distinguish them

Okay

but there's in the end only so much one can do

Hm, looks like Last.fm + WMP11 + FLAC codec + Tag support extender plugin doesn't work

if they are really in the same path, tagged exactly the same, but with difrferent filenames

My FLAC files played from the library don't show up in Last.fm. How disappointing :(

then nothing can really distinguish them except for the human eye or some super-sophisticated filename-based analyzer

I run in to that with some ogg too

Yeah

Well, the audio is pretty noticeably different in this case; one is substantially louder

even still, I have 1874 tracks in 7 days :P

though my neighbors make 0 sense to me... most are extremely low matches

I just created a Last.fm account today, but the only things that show up are songs played in the Last.fm program, and a couple files I opened individually, and a couple MP3s (I have very few on this comp at the moment)

Who are you? I'll send you a friend req :)

holme215

aCiD2 talked me into joining last week

My profile doesn't at all reflect my taste in music at the moment

pretty much all the channel regs are in my last friends list, if you want to send them reqs

Once I get all my stuff tagged and back in something other than WMP

ugh

Then it should work a little better

why were the ever wmp?

That sentence is not syntactically or semantically comprehensible

sorry, encoding flac to ogg in the background, my wireless keyboard tends to drop characters under heavy cpu load

Ah

*s/the/they

Oh

You mean WMA? The files are FLAC, I'm just playing them in Windows Media Player

Because I like it

But it doesn't work all that well for FLAC :(

oh, thought you meant the file type, not the player

Ah

No, I would never use any WMA file format =D

i have a few WMAs but they really suck

lol, that's why I was asking =)

gstreamer uses a lot of CPU to play them

Well, that is a sorta unusual use case

heh

Beats iTunes though; it transcodes any .wma files into AAC when you import them =D

everything uses a lot of cpu to play them - and they're still crappy quality compared to other codecs

yeah, itunes made news today... seems they finally play AAC and MP3 at the same volume level :P

Well, my understanding is they're supposed to be competative with AAC and Vorbis, but I don't use WMA at all so I can't really say

yeah, all my older = mp3, newer = ogg -8 or ogg-10

vorbis really sounds better than mp3 at the same bitrate

definately

had a blast from the past today... found an old vqf file :P

haha

kjofol anyone? :P

I prefer to stick to FLAC when I can, but last time I tried iTunes on Windows doesn't play FLAC at all, and WMP11 plays them with the right codec but the plugin that lets you add them to your library is buggy, and doesn't work with Last.fm

WavPack++

I don't know what those are :P

vqf is something from Yamaha IIRC

see, I personally can hear no diifference between ogg -7 and flac, but just to be safe, I normally go ape/flac/cd --> ogg-8, and if it's one of my favorites, ogg-10

Oh yeah, that. Wasn't that totally proprietary?

there was a hacked version

it was the original AAC codec

ah

yeah right i remember now

heavy cpu load, back around 96, 97

ow well we used to encode mp3s on Pentium 60's

I can't hear the difference either, but I want to know that my copies are exact and that I don't have to worry about keeping the original CDs or anything, and I don't mind the disk usage, so I use FLAC

or even 486's DX4 100's

I fondly remember my 286. I didn't encode mp3s on it though :P

i remember my ZX81

lol

I remember my pentium 133 taking a full day to encode 1 CD's worth of 128 kpbs mp3 :P

now I do ogg conversion in the background :P

i remember all the guys in the boarding school coming to me for ripping their CDs because we found out that my drive, with certain parameters set, was able to get a 1:1 binary copy of the digital data off the CD

yup

and some people were quite crazy about flawless ripping

my roommate had a plextor, so he would rip, we'd toss it to mine over the 100 base-T connection, then I'd encode it

yeah like that

well actually we had only 10Base2

LOL

lol

scary part is, I still have some of those mp3s :P

ew

yeah i have some of them somewhere too

i kinda started with

i remember

i started ripping CDs and encoding them with ADPCM

so they would be only 1/4 of the size

then in 95 someone came along and told me eh you don't know winamp?

and well the rest is history, pretty much for everyone

lol

winamp? :P

well

i was on windows back then >_>

what was that program called...

ampwin?

Winamp was pretty pimp back then

Sure beats *cough* XMMS =D