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      • BrianFreud
        :D
      • 2007-06-18 16945, 2007

      • catgroove
        "what's the point?" "bla bla" "whine"
      • 2007-06-18 16947, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        meh... it's like the borked "edit annotation" link. It's been broken for forever, and it's broken on the voting screen too - but it's 'Won't Fix" because you can open the release and at least one of the two edit annotation urls works
      • 2007-06-18 16904, 2007

      • catgroove
        what?
      • 2007-06-18 16927, 2007

      • catgroove
        edit annotation linkisn't broken
      • 2007-06-18 16934, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        You know how there's a "edit annotation" link in the whitespace in the middle of the release page? That one works.
      • 2007-06-18 16937, 2007

      • catgroove goesto check
      • 2007-06-18 16946, 2007

      • catgroove
        yeess..
      • 2007-06-18 16946, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        But there's another "edit annotation" link above that,
      • 2007-06-18 16952, 2007

      • catgroove
        no there's not
      • 2007-06-18 16958, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        and that's the only one that shows on the voting screen
      • 2007-06-18 16959, 2007

      • catgroove
        oh!
      • 2007-06-18 16904, 2007

      • catgroove
        that other link
      • 2007-06-18 16908, 2007

      • catgroove
        you can reomve that
      • 2007-06-18 16911, 2007

      • catgroove
        that's optional
      • 2007-06-18 16915, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        right
      • 2007-06-18 16921, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        point it isn't that you can remove it
      • 2007-06-18 16927, 2007

      • catgroove
        i don't have the 'annotation bar in release' on
      • 2007-06-18 16933, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        point is it's useful - or would be, if it worked
      • 2007-06-18 16939, 2007

      • catgroove
        it doesn't work?
      • 2007-06-18 16941, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        nope
      • 2007-06-18 16942, 2007

      • catgroove
        typical
      • 2007-06-18 16949, 2007

      • catgroove
        listen i'll telyo uthe story behind it
      • 2007-06-18 16954, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        error 500 for every single "edit annotation" link on the voting screen
      • 2007-06-18 16909, 2007

      • catgroove
        stfu now, while I type
      • 2007-06-18 16911, 2007

      • catgroove
        :P
      • 2007-06-18 16938, 2007

      • catgroove
        before there was no edit annotation in the release, only edit relationships, and an amazon bar. it was green. then keskte sdtarted rewriting the code, he was making the code slimlined, but he also made some modifications (start ofthe bigdebate-fuu) what hedidwas remove the relationship bar, and the amazon thing was made the way it is today
      • 2007-06-18 16917, 2007

      • catgroove
        I basically *whined* my way intoi having the relbar back, and then he added the annoation bar also
      • 2007-06-18 16954, 2007

      • catgroove
        he also made them optinoal because he belived that their exlsusion was better userinterface
      • 2007-06-18 16903, 2007

      • catgroove
        (less clutter)
      • 2007-06-18 16915, 2007

      • catgroove
        I turned the annobar off, but ketp the relbar
      • 2007-06-18 16945, 2007

      • catgroove
        so if the annobar is borked, please add a bugreport at bugs.mb.org
      • 2007-06-18 16958, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        I did, a few days ago, with reference back to the original ticket
      • 2007-06-18 16904, 2007

      • catgroove
        hmn?
      • 2007-06-18 16906, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        no response yet
      • 2007-06-18 16911, 2007

      • catgroove
        please cc me (zaphodbeeblebrox)
      • 2007-06-18 16922, 2007

      • catgroove
        ZaphodBeeblebrox (case sensetiver)
      • 2007-06-18 16936, 2007

      • catgroove
        -r
      • 2007-06-18 16902, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        umm, how?
      • 2007-06-18 16909, 2007

      • catgroove
        well no bugs get any responce much between server releases, on the next server release, ask the people then, maybe acid2
      • 2007-06-18 16919, 2007

      • BrianFreud
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      • catgroove
        ok, where is the link to the bug?
      • 2007-06-18 16934, 2007

      • BrianFreud reads minds
      • 2007-06-18 16939, 2007

      • catgroove
        indeed
      • 2007-06-18 16910, 2007

      • catgroove
        seedown there there is a 'browser' 'milestone' and 'os' and cc'
      • 2007-06-18 16917, 2007

      • catgroove
        I added myself tho
      • 2007-06-18 16914, 2007

      • catgroove
        changeing to 'normal' you generally don't want to set the priority higer thnanormal
      • 2007-06-18 16931, 2007

      • catgroove
        set it to important only if its something that really needs attention like voa
      • 2007-06-18 16935, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        normally don't... :P
      • 2007-06-18 16906, 2007

      • catgroove
        'critical' is like 'if you load msuicbrainz your computer explodes'
      • 2007-06-18 16909, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        a borked link at least once on just about every screen that generates an error 500 seemed rather more than normal :)
      • 2007-06-18 16911, 2007

      • catgroove
        heh
      • 2007-06-18 16912, 2007

      • catgroove ♪ Zeratul - Zelda 3: KakarikoRaveParty (OC ReMix) (3:18) ♪
      • 2007-06-18 16914, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        yeah, I avoid that one
      • 2007-06-18 16922, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        most of mine go in at trivial :D
      • 2007-06-18 16937, 2007

      • catgroove
        just set them normal, only trivial if they truly are
      • 2007-06-18 16954, 2007

      • warp
        a quick vote here please (has a vote against styleguidelines): http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=7049893
      • 2007-06-18 16900, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        I know :) lol, read that page too :)
      • 2007-06-18 16914, 2007

      • catgroove
        what page?
      • 2007-06-18 16955, 2007

      • catgroove
        warp: I don't agree
      • 2007-06-18 16903, 2007

      • catgroove
        and will vote no
      • 2007-06-18 16913, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        catgroove: there's a wikipage somewhere on importance levels for bug tickets :P
      • 2007-06-18 16919, 2007

      • catgroove
        there is?
      • 2007-06-18 16923, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        I swear we have some incredably obscure wikipages
      • 2007-06-18 16923, 2007

      • catgroove
        neverseen
      • 2007-06-18 16924, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        lol
      • 2007-06-18 16930, 2007

      • catgroove
        please interlink 'em
      • 2007-06-18 16932, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        I told you I was reading the whole damn thing hehe
      • 2007-06-18 16933, 2007

      • catgroove ♪ AmIEvil - Zelda 3: AmIEvil Darkworld (OC ReMix) (1:54) ♪
      • 2007-06-18 16952, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        I offered to help panda do that, with the wardening - he said they're not ready for it yet
      • 2007-06-18 16954, 2007

      • catgroove
        tif you're reading thewhoel damn link, please help link obscure pages to pages of the same interest
      • 2007-06-18 16908, 2007

      • catgroove
        he did?
      • 2007-06-18 16911, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        yeah
      • 2007-06-18 16914, 2007

      • catgroove
        maybe he msiunderstood you...
      • 2007-06-18 16938, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        Not sure - I got the sense it was still at the planning how to do it stage, not the actually doing it stage
      • 2007-06-18 16943, 2007

      • warp
        hm, i don't think your votes match 'http://musicbrainz.org/doc/ReleaseLanguage'
      • 2007-06-18 16936, 2007

      • catgroove
        hmm that page hasn't been touched in.. oh to long
      • 2007-06-18 16938, 2007

      • catgroove
        its borked
      • 2007-06-18 16940, 2007

      • catgroove
        see?
      • 2007-06-18 16941, 2007

      • catgroove
        "If several scripts are used on a release, choose the most common script (there is no 'Multiple Scripts' choice); however, as the Latin script is common in many languages that primarily use another script, Latin should only be chosen if there are no more than one or two titles (or a few characters) in other scripts. For example, a Japanese release with a mix of English and Japanese titles should ... unfinished sentence here? --Kesc
      • 2007-06-18 16942, 2007

      • catgroove
        hte"
      • 2007-06-18 16951, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        Why? The kanji in the title is definately not 100% english, and the script is definately not latin...
      • 2007-06-18 16927, 2007

      • catgroove
        it should read "as the Latin script is common in many languages that primarily use another script, Latin should only be chosen if there are no other scripts but latin in the release"
      • 2007-06-18 16930, 2007

      • catgroove
        imho
      • 2007-06-18 16948, 2007

      • catgroove
        while a half and half cyrrillic /latin should definitely be 'cyrillic'
      • 2007-06-18 16957, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        mo: I agree
      • 2007-06-18 16957, 2007

      • catgroove
        that is my oppinion
      • 2007-06-18 16901, 2007

      • warp
        catgroove: yes, i agree. but that's not what it says. so please help me get it changed.
      • 2007-06-18 16913, 2007

      • catgroove
        I will, how?
      • 2007-06-18 16917, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        lol, warp gets to write a RFC today too :)
      • 2007-06-18 16926, 2007

      • warp
        catgroove: instead of voting against the guidelines.
      • 2007-06-18 16943, 2007

      • warp
        (there's already too much drama because people don't folow the guidelines :)
      • 2007-06-18 16945, 2007

      • catgroove
        it's not really a guideline...
      • 2007-06-18 16949, 2007

      • catgroove
        but ok
      • 2007-06-18 16951, 2007

      • warp
        BrianFreud: hehe
      • 2007-06-18 16952, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        problem is, with the unfinished sentence, I'm not quite sure what the guideline says, exactly
      • 2007-06-18 16953, 2007

      • catgroove
        vote abstain
      • 2007-06-18 16900, 2007

      • catgroove
        that's my point too
      • 2007-06-18 16909, 2007

      • catgroove
        I really thought that page had been uopdated
      • 2007-06-18 16913, 2007

      • catgroove
        its not complete
      • 2007-06-18 16925, 2007

      • warp
        i've posted to the style mailinglist a little while ago, no response at all.
      • 2007-06-18 16942, 2007

      • catgroove
        we're following half a styleguideline de facto
      • 2007-06-18 16945, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        lol
      • 2007-06-18 16950, 2007

      • catgroove
        damn that mailinglist
      • 2007-06-18 16958, 2007

      • catgroove
        people are so.. arg
      • 2007-06-18 16908, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        yeah, that's why I'm hesitant to do anything with it
      • 2007-06-18 16919, 2007

      • catgroove
        can't people ljust quitthedrama and the endless discussionsand just sit down and *decide on something?!
      • 2007-06-18 16926, 2007

      • catgroove
        maybe.......
      • 2007-06-18 16938, 2007

      • catgroove
        instead of mailiglsits we should have a open board meating on irc..
      • 2007-06-18 16941, 2007

      • catgroove
        well not instead of
      • 2007-06-18 16944, 2007

      • catgroove
        but in addition too
      • 2007-06-18 16944, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        Look at the reception my OTR proposal got when I proposed it 6 weeks ago... dropped like a stone. And yet, here's exactly that situation: The guy is describing an OTR series... http://forums.musicbrainz.org/viewtopic.php?id=611
      • 2007-06-18 16945, 2007

      • warp
      • 2007-06-18 16941, 2007

      • catgroove
        'everybody interested in this can come to montly ircmeeting and discuss suggested styleguideline changes done on mailing list'
      • 2007-06-18 16946, 2007

      • BrianFreud wonders if there's even a list somewhere that's up to date of proposed RPCs...
      • 2007-06-18 16947, 2007

      • warp
        gat. i really should be working. back later!
      • 2007-06-18 16958, 2007

      • catgroove
        nope, not at all
      • 2007-06-18 16906, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        I know there *was* one... seems dead tho
      • 2007-06-18 16907, 2007

      • catgroove
        need pays moderators
      • 2007-06-18 16913, 2007

      • catgroove
        needs payed moderators
      • 2007-06-18 16919, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        hence my hesitance to touch RFCs... they go nowhere
      • 2007-06-18 16935, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        so style problems, like the soundtrack thing or the OTR thing, sit and nothing happens
      • 2007-06-18 16940, 2007

      • catgroove
        indeed
      • 2007-06-18 16956, 2007

      • catgroove
        this has been a problem that the styletribunal tried to fix, but people did nothing abotuthat either
      • 2007-06-18 16957, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        I'm not sure quite what happened to style dudes, but at least they seemed to get style guidelines done
      • 2007-06-18 16907, 2007

      • catgroove
        indeed, no styledudes
      • 2007-06-18 16910, 2007

      • catgroove
        we need astyledude
      • 2007-06-18 16921, 2007

      • BrianFreud proposes mo :)
      • 2007-06-18 16922, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        lol
      • 2007-06-18 16924, 2007

      • catgroove
        I wish I had what it took to be astyledude :D
      • 2007-06-18 16933, 2007

      • catgroove
        dude, sotp reading my mind and get baclkto work!
      • 2007-06-18 16938, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        hehe
      • 2007-06-18 16943, 2007

      • catgroove
        I know it was warp working ,but you can work too
      • 2007-06-18 16947, 2007

      • catgroove
        an I needbrekfast
      • 2007-06-18 16949, 2007

      • catgroove
        :P
      • 2007-06-18 16952, 2007

      • BrianFreud
        :)
      • 2007-06-18 16900, 2007

      • Muz_
        Moose!
      • 2007-06-18 16909, 2007

      • FauxFaux
        Omg Muz_!
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      • Muz_
        Omg Faux!
      • 2007-06-18 16933, 2007

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      • Jugdish
        brianfreud!!
      • 2007-06-18 16910, 2007

      • Jugdish
        i need your bootleg experience with an edit :P
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      • foolip
        Hi. I want to find chinese releases where script is not set, or set to just "Han", I read the search syntax and search in releases with "lang:chinese","lang:zho" and some other guesses, but to no avail
      • 2007-06-18 16918, 2007

      • foolip
        what is the search syntax for lang/script, does anybody have a working example?
      • 2007-06-18 16904, 2007

      • FauxFaux
        Good question. :)
      • 2007-06-18 16947, 2007

      • foolip
        the lists in "Editing suggestions" are somewhat useful, but I want to find something more specific than that
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      • FauxFaux