well, yes, that's a result of either - and is the main goal
2007-06-22 17325, 2007
BrianFreud
lol
2007-06-22 17343, 2007
krazykiwiMB
representations of how little vetting isn't that important either, if everything is, according to our other goal, getting vetted
2007-06-22 17345, 2007
BrianFreud
I'm just looking at the process of how the data gets there, not the database itself
2007-06-22 17310, 2007
krazykiwiMB
so if it stays open _until it gets at least some vetting_, that's better than now, even if the queue size goes up
2007-06-22 17324, 2007
ruaok joined the channel
2007-06-22 17327, 2007
BrianFreud
agreed
2007-06-22 17334, 2007
krazykiwiMB
ruaok: you prolly wanna pull up the logs of the last ten minutes
2007-06-22 17342, 2007
ruaok
uh oh
2007-06-22 17344, 2007
krazykiwiMB
except skip the kiwi in space part
2007-06-22 17346, 2007
BrianFreud
though, running the numbers when cooperaa and I talked about it the other day...
2007-06-22 17350, 2007
krazykiwiMB
oh no, we are being nice :)
2007-06-22 17354, 2007
BrianFreud
that queue doesn't just go up slightly
2007-06-22 17309, 2007
krazykiwiMB
if we weren't, i'd have said 'ruaok, you probably wanna log out again'
2007-06-22 17310, 2007
BrianFreud
it goes up MASSIVELY if we leave them open forever, even if voting doubles from current rates
2007-06-22 17318, 2007
krazykiwiMB
BrianFreud: so?
2007-06-22 17326, 2007
ruaok was hoping to hide and code
2007-06-22 17327, 2007
krazykiwiMB
and i mean that kindly
2007-06-22 17337, 2007
krazykiwiMB
honestly, what does it matter?
2007-06-22 17342, 2007
BrianFreud
it may not
2007-06-22 17351, 2007
krazykiwiMB
i can't think of a single reason it would
2007-06-22 17352, 2007
BrianFreud
but put it this way, just something to consider
2007-06-22 17313, 2007
BrianFreud
assuming voting rates were to double from current, and edit rates stayed constant to now,
2007-06-22 17317, 2007
krazykiwiMB
it's just a number (if it wasn't on the voting page, would you care?)
2007-06-22 17324, 2007
BrianFreud
after one year, you have 142,500 open edits
2007-06-22 17338, 2007
cooperaa
+250,000/yr
2007-06-22 17340, 2007
BrianFreud
now all that data is live, until voted down
2007-06-22 17309, 2007
BrianFreud
but the chances, in a sea of edits THAT big, that anyone will spot even the blatently wrong ones for quick no votes,
2007-06-22 17312, 2007
Kerensky97
I liked the idea of bounuses for people who vote alot and become experts in certain areas/languages/genres.
2007-06-22 17312, 2007
cooperaa
but what percentage of the artists do people actually care about?
2007-06-22 17313, 2007
Kerensky97 likes badges and medals.
2007-06-22 17313, 2007
BrianFreud
that's my concern
2007-06-22 17330, 2007
krazykiwiMB
brianfreud: who's to say voting won't go way up
2007-06-22 17340, 2007
krazykiwiMB
people will see 'oh, there's yellow releases here, what does that mean'
2007-06-22 17342, 2007
cooperaa
I mean, if there are 100,000 open edits for artists that NO one looks at I don't really care
2007-06-22 17342, 2007
krazykiwiMB
and quickly learn
2007-06-22 17356, 2007
cooperaa
yea, I imagine voting will go way up
2007-06-22 17357, 2007
ruaok
from the get go I thought it should never matter how many open edits we have.
2007-06-22 17359, 2007
krazykiwiMB
and be more inclined to say "hey, i have this cd, i was just going to tag it, and it looks great to me'
2007-06-22 17302, 2007
yllona wonders is Kerensky97 was an Eagle scout :P
2007-06-22 17302, 2007
BrianFreud
krazykiwiMB: as I say, 142.5k is assuming the voting rate *doubles*
2007-06-22 17304, 2007
ruaok
but people have consistenly told me otherwise.
2007-06-22 17320, 2007
krazykiwiMB
ruaok: well, count me in with you
2007-06-22 17323, 2007
ruaok
people want to see their shit go through and not be in limbo for months on end.
2007-06-22 17348, 2007
krazykiwiMB
ok, we might have to differentiate from 'adding new stuff' and 'changing existing stuff'
2007-06-22 17351, 2007
krazykiwiMB
two queues
2007-06-22 17352, 2007
cooperaa
people can use the data while it is open
2007-06-22 17306, 2007
BrianFreud
krazykiwiMB: other thing that would have to happen, for it to realistically work, is you would have to be able to see track and AR edits in the release edit's view
2007-06-22 17306, 2007
cooperaa
this is true
2007-06-22 17326, 2007
krazykiwiMB
the 'changing stuff' keeps on working as now (expires and is either accepted or not), the 'new stuff' stays open until it's confirmed
2007-06-22 17341, 2007
BrianFreud
why?
2007-06-22 17346, 2007
cooperaa
hopefully the changing data queue would shrink dramatically if we are more thorough during the add step
2007-06-22 17301, 2007
BrianFreud
we see incorrect stuff being added, but blatently wrong stuff going on with changes
2007-06-22 17303, 2007
Kerensky97
yllona: no but I was in the military.
2007-06-22 17306, 2007
Kerensky97
;)
2007-06-22 17320, 2007
krazykiwiMB
read above: people changing _bad_ data to better, will see their stuff not applied
2007-06-22 17302, 2007
krazykiwiMB
and the 'changing existing stuff' queue would always be smaller (and maybe the 'accept on expire' rules would need tweaking)
2007-06-22 17325, 2007
krazykiwiMB
but i'm still talking at a level way above details here, just think broader
2007-06-22 17331, 2007
cooperaa
I have a crazy idea...
2007-06-22 17359, 2007
cooperaa
how about we make open ADD edits fixable like a wiki
2007-06-22 17302, 2007
krazykiwiMB
(anyone konw what movie it is that has that big long speech about 'our first priority is... and our other first priority is... and our other other first priority...)
2007-06-22 17316, 2007
krazykiwiMB
i feel like that around mb sometimes
2007-06-22 17327, 2007
cooperaa
once they are accepted they are "locked" into "default quality"
2007-06-22 17346, 2007
krazykiwiMB
you can openly edit ongoing add edits?
2007-06-22 17350, 2007
cooperaa
yes
2007-06-22 17302, 2007
BrianFreud
cooperaa: sounds open to major exploitation/damage...
2007-06-22 17304, 2007
cooperaa
I always end up approving crap that people fix in their add edits
2007-06-22 17318, 2007
krazykiwiMB
no more than now
2007-06-22 17329, 2007
BrianFreud
what it that same idea, but only the adder has that ability?
2007-06-22 17337, 2007
cooperaa
sure that's a possibility too
2007-06-22 17344, 2007
krazykiwiMB
it's still going to need 3 yes votes to go in (i presume, once edited, the yes votes would disappear)
