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blakey's band toured 200+ days a year going back to the 1950's -- it's like boot camp for young jazz msucians

ahhh...the messengers...spreading the word of jazz

yep. that's the band

coltrane, hancock, freddie hubbard, the list is endless

did they have a high burnout rate?

heh. play hard or get cut. end of story

no worse than being in a band with Mark E. Smith

the other issue is that the classic blakey recordings are so heavily sampled in hip-hop

so most of the musicians that came up thru the jazz messenger ranks are determined that the credits (ergo royalties) are properly assigned

is it me or does the bbc music page search not work?

BrianG: goes live in the morning

do you know if they are using all the data...or just data for bbc artists

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drsaunde: here's a great site for tracking samples: http://www.the-breaks.com/index.php

yllona: time for your meds...you gave me that link a week or so ago :-)

drsaunde: sorry buzzkill

:-)

brianG: BBC link working for me at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/brainz/

some were good...but generally there's a lot of presumed samples which aren't really

yes, it' s a start.

link works, but i couldn't search for artists.. i guess because it's not live.

yep

drsaunde: i don't listen to much hip-hop, but i am occasionally hired to listen and identify

it's not hard to find that kind of work, tho you may need to hook-up with folk in NYC

do you ever get so bored you just stare at your balls?

yllona: wow, hired to identify samples?

yep. started for me in college

nice.

so what is the most sampled track?

from your experience

warp: one of my college buddies floated his student loans to acquire rights to classic R & B recordings -- he was the only one of use to see the "rap music" was gonna be *huge*. the rest of us thought it was a "fad" -- this would be ca. 1979/80

drsaunde: that would be any number of quincy jones tunes. in fact his son QJ III, just set up a separate business for cross-licensing the Q catalog -- as if Q you needs any more exposure :)

amen brother

by the winstons

i though possibly isaac hayes

warp: by the time we were seniors in 1983 my buddy was already making $70K /year in royalties... that was a gaint sum of money in those day, and well before the hip-hop revolution

or mayfield

drsaunde: nope, tho superly preety much caps it as a single recording

yllona: wow, nice.

*album

drsaunde: isaac has undergone a "resurgence" but remember his classic albums from teh '70s featured more "arrangements" than compositions -- until "Shaft"

oops and that would be "Superfly" ^^ sorry

also marvin gaye's "Troubleman" note that all of these were movie soundtracks, but Quincy was writing TV/movie 15+ years before teh "blaxplotation" era

herbie hancock hasn't done too bad either

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Quincy's first "pop" mega-hit was lesley gore's "it's my party" in 1963 (or '64)

he owns full rights on that track, just as he does for pretty much everything else he's written since the early '60s

he got burned *badly* in the mid-1950s and said "never again"

BrianG: which of the [unknown] styles should i use for unknown artist for an entire release?

i'm pretty sure there is only one artist named [unknown]

so, that one

:)

it's time for sleep now, later.

BrianG: i'm searching the wiki for [unknown] and can't tell which is correct

okay, found it -- finally

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'lo muz

Hey yllona

so, you're all moved in with lozzd?

Not quite yet

Laurie's moving in on the weekend :)

I'm all comfortably settled in though, marked my territory and whathaveyou

that's the ticket :)

How's your new place treating you then?

good, mostly. the last of the electrical problems should be eliminated this week.

othr than that, it's pretty much perfect

Ahh, every new homes seems to come with it's own problems

I'm still without a phoneline and interweb connection, but meh, I can survive nicely

If anything, better without them. Less stress, less late night's working, and I'm sleeping proper times :P

yes, that's good too.

speaking of which, it's time for a hot bath & then bed for me

Mmm always fun

Night :)

yes.

g'night

ruaok: i'm clicking about a bit on the bbc website.

ruaok: i think we need some way to link different editions of an album and only show one of them.

ruaok: the discographies will look like a mess for them without it.

ruaok: e.g.: http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/artist/jrzf/

should we allow annotations like this: http://musicbrainz.org/show/artist/?artistid=33560

drsaunde: no.

drsaunde: that should be in a biography AR IMO

seems pretty obscene to me..but i don't want to just delete it

drsaunde: generally it's easy to find where it is copy/pasted from with google. then remove it based on copyright violation.

its copy/pasted from myspace

that person who pasted it in is also trying to link to that myspace page with 4 different types of URL relationships

you're free to clean that up IMO :)

i did

yllona: you around?

She left a while back

drsaunde: lol, you missed that it's also in his rather long bio: http://musicbrainz.org/show/user/?userid=329368

whats the different between MusicBrainz and cddb ?

+e

the data and the structure

freedb/cddb takes anything anyone gives them, but it has to come from a CD submission, and other than some profanity filters, the data's totally unstructured and unverified

lol, just got this in an email... scary how true it is...

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