I couldn't work out how to get the silly id3 library (yes, was just working with mp3s at the time) to write TXXX fields, though, which kind of made my life a little difficult.
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nightgroove
ooohhh
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nightgroove
nightgroove is now known as catgroove
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catgroove
uriah heep cover!
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drsaunde
it's gonna be a crummy day....i hate going to weddings when there's a smog alert out
mo: I would make that relationship to "Part Two" , then just note the cover is of the "King Kong" section
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catgroove
I don't like it :(
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catgroove
i'd rather just make a 'frank zappa composed' type ar
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catgroove
gah
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drsaunde
i've done something similar before....can't remember the artist but the original track was a Track A / Track B format and the cover was only of Track A, yet i still made the relationship
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BrianFreud
morning :)
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catgroove
yes but this is more like 5-10 per 'track'
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drsaunde
hmm..is there a clear second release (first release as only King Kong)?
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catgroove
only live afaik
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catgroove
:(
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drsaunde
you could link to that version..then link that version as being part of the medley in "Part Two"
might need to (ugh) split original TW into 3 groups
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hawke_
catgroove: hmm, a lot of remixes are attributed to the artists of the original track...
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hawke_
I voted "abstain" because I'm not sure of the correctness of it
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catgroove
then the release which it is on shoud have the track artistthance
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catgroove
♪
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catgroove
this is a NAT
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hawke_
I guess it comes down to "is it a remix or a cover?"
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hawke_
the title suggests it's a remix
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catgroove
I'd say cover sincethats whatthe page I linked to said it was. it was fully re-recorded,
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catgroove
he got the original singer to guest vocal on it
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catgroove
:)
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hawke_
heh
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catgroove
if it isn't though, the trak does appear on other erleases, so in anycase, a NAT (non album track) is wrong
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hawke_
yeah, that's true
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hawke_
mo: are you seriously suggesting that a fictitious person is not a valid concept?
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catgroove
if its Fitiously fitious, rather than a fittious real entety, ie 'gorillaz' or 'Spinal Tap'
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catgroove
yes
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catgroove
there is not fitious real entetty 'the simposns' performing 'as a band'
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catgroove
it's simply the catch-all released-under-entity for which music for mthat TV show is under
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catgroove
as people wouldn't know to look for the names of the composers, the recordreleases and oweners of the show don't bother
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catgroove
people don't know to look of 'richard o'brien' when they look for 'rovky horror picture show' either, but it doesn't make 'rhps' the artist
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BrianFreud
hawke: Catgroove has a point. He and I talked about this the other day a good bit. Yes, there's precident for ficticious artists. But right now, we're treating TV/Movie characters different than Musicals and some soundtracks.
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BrianFreud
We don't list "Original London Cast", we list the composer. For most movies, we don't list the characters, we list the composer, classical style.
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catgroove
we should have AR's with 'roles'
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BrianFreud
But for The Simpsons, etc, we list the character instead - it's not consistant...
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hawke_
IMO it should be whoever is credited with it
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catgroove
yes, but that's not usefull in a daabase like mb
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hawke_
how is that not useful?
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BrianFreud
Originally, I would have agreed. But if you think about it a bit, that then means we have "artists" for every single character who ever performs on a soundtrack
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hawke_
especially with the "performs as" AR
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BrianFreud
Which becomes unuseful.
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hawke_
BrianFreud: a lot of times they're not credited to the characters though
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catgroove
because you get artists like 'bob and Jane' 'Jane and bob' Jane foo & bob bar
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catgroove
..among many other issues
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hawke_
I think that if the album credits the character, put the character; if they credit the real names of the performer, put that; if they credit the writer, put that
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catgroove
and I think not
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BrianFreud
hawke: Just using the RHPS example, instead of Richard O'Brien, and being able to look at his works, you would have 10 or more different fictious artists linking back through 2 levels or ARs to the actual performers
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hawke_
catgroove: the B&J one -- clearly those are all the same artist.
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catgroove
yes, bad example
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catgroove
but take BrianFreud example
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BrianFreud
Plus then you have to handle all the RHPS tracks from various cast recordings, so add in anouther 40 versions of those same ficticious artists
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catgroove
it would make a MESS out of soundtracks
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hawke_
RHPS are credited to Richard O'Brien
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BrianFreud
Right
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catgroove
not to mention 2006 different 'cast' artists
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hawke_
I mean on the disc
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BrianFreud
no
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catgroove
they aree credited to 'rocky' 'that guy' and 'foobar'
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BrianFreud
on the disc, it credits "Rocky" "Jane" "Rocky & Jane" etc
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catgroove
exactly
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hawke_ double-checks
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BrianFreud has the 4 disc set
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catgroove
and then you'd' have different 'rocky's and different 'janes'
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Clint
who the fuck is jane?
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BrianFreud
You have the French, the movie, the Argentine, the San Francisco, the Toronto, the London, etc casts
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catgroove
for each new cast that records the musical
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catgroove
yes
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catgroove
not to mentino all the lanugage tones
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BrianFreud
(that's the version I mean catgroove :P )
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BrianFreud
there's a 4 disc set with all the various language casts + movie on it
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catgroove
eeep
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BrianFreud
there'd be maybe 4 tracks which credit to the same ficitious artists
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catgroove
and movies
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catgroove
'my fair lady' etc
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BrianFreud
yes
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hawke_
still, the vast majority of those credit the actors
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BrianFreud
that's why you convinced me catgroove
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BrianFreud
every single movie would become a disaster
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catgroove
yes ,and they shoud have AR's noit be added in fo & bar & jane & tom & dick& rovky 6 meat loaf & guy & etc super artist
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BrianFreud
So if I wanted every, say David Newman composed film,
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BrianFreud
no way to find it
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catgroove
exactly
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BrianFreud
catgroove: Now, right now, we're talking about artist / albumartist
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BrianFreud
Would you still be opposed to the fictious artists if created solely for use as "performed by" ARs?
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catgroove
on a track with everybody i n the cast sinigng , you'd get a track artist like that
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catgroove
BrianFreud: yes and no
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BrianFreud
"The Time Warp" by artist Richard O'Brien, performed by Morticia, Morticia a performance name for foobar?
