the opera and the beyond-obscure stuff keeps slowing me down
2007-10-24 29704, 2007
brianfreud
stuff like "Tantum ergo for 4 Voices & Orchestra in D major, K. Anh C 3.05/(K3) Anh 186e/197 (possibly spurious)
2007-10-24 29712, 2007
MClemo
that's a lot of ARs then too. All those conductors, orchestras, instrument players, ...
2007-10-24 29716, 2007
brianfreud
yup
2007-10-24 29726, 2007
brianfreud
going to take forever to get this set entered fully
2007-10-24 29750, 2007
brianfreud
in terms of CSG though, lol... I took the easy way... Made up a complicated spreadsheet - fill in the blanks, let it put the text and punctuation in the right places :P
2007-10-24 29744, 2007
brianfreud
hence being able to copy out just the titles, let it convert them to "Die Zauberflöte, K. 620: Act II, Scene XXII - XXIII. Dialogue "Tamino! Tamino! Willst Du mich denn gänzlich verlassen?" (Papageno)"
2007-10-24 29733, 2007
ruaok
moin leute!
2007-10-24 29755, 2007
brianfreud
good early morning to you ruaok :)
2007-10-24 29707, 2007
ruaok
time of day! :)
2007-10-24 29711, 2007
brianfreud
still avoiding catching on fire?
2007-10-24 29713, 2007
ruaok
well, I'm in the clear up here.
2007-10-24 29723, 2007
ruaok
the nearest fire is about 70 miles away and its a small one.
2007-10-24 29725, 2007
brianfreud
that's good
2007-10-24 29732, 2007
ruaok
mum seems to be out of danger in SD.
2007-10-24 29759, 2007
ruaok
so, can I send another tech supper help issue to you?
2007-10-24 29713, 2007
ruaok
picard's tags don't show in itunes....
2007-10-24 29713, 2007
brianfreud
meh... I'll take Buffalo snow over living with earthquakes and fires in Cali ever again :D
2007-10-24 29718, 2007
brianfreud
sure, send any you like :)
2007-10-24 29729, 2007
ruaok
do you wanna be on the support@ alias?
2007-10-24 29733, 2007
brianfreud
lol
2007-10-24 29739, 2007
ruaok
that way you get copies of all the incoming mails.
2007-10-24 29741, 2007
brianfreud
I guess I can do that, if you'd like
2007-10-24 29752, 2007
ruaok
all we do is first come, first serve Reply all.
2007-10-24 29758, 2007
brianfreud
ok
2007-10-24 29701, 2007
ruaok
zout is on the list as am i.
2007-10-24 29703, 2007
ruaok
ok.
2007-10-24 29705, 2007
ruaok
usual addy?
2007-10-24 29708, 2007
brianfreud
sure
2007-10-24 29716, 2007
ruaok
its only a handful mails per week...
2007-10-24 29717, 2007
ruaok
cool.
2007-10-24 29719, 2007
brianfreud
What's a few more MB-related emails :)
2007-10-24 29723, 2007
ruaok
lol
2007-10-24 29737, 2007
Kanmu has quit
2007-10-24 29758, 2007
brianfreud
MClemo - any idea what "zweiter akt" means?
2007-10-24 29720, 2007
ruaok
second act
2007-10-24 29741, 2007
ruaok
I'd be glad to help with german questions, in return for you MB help. :)
2007-10-24 29742, 2007
brianfreud
thanks... wonder why they switched from (act 2) to (zweiter akt) on two lines here *shrug*
2007-10-24 29701, 2007
brianfreud
lol... be careful what you wish for, I've still got 57 CDs of Mozart operas... :D
2007-10-24 29711, 2007
brianfreud
got it
2007-10-24 29723, 2007
ruaok
sweet. thanks.
2007-10-24 29738, 2007
ruaok
and other mail forwarded.
2007-10-24 29743, 2007
MClemo
thought about buying a 180 disc box set, that would be some work, too
2007-10-24 29744, 2007
brianfreud
lol, well, when I finally finish this one, there's still a good bit of the Phillips 180 CD Mozart set unentered...
2007-10-24 29747, 2007
brianfreud
btw ruaok - did modbot just recently run for the first time in like a week?
2007-10-24 29705, 2007
ruaok
modbot runs hourly.
2007-10-24 29721, 2007
ruaok
the emptyartists script had a bug in it until yesterday.
2007-10-24 29729, 2007
brianfreud
ah, that would explain it
2007-10-24 29736, 2007
ruaok
and then I ran it yesterday and promptly pissed you off. :)
2007-10-24 29741, 2007
brianfreud
haha
2007-10-24 29700, 2007
ruaok
next schema release I want to add "last modified" timestamps to everything.
2007-10-24 29720, 2007
ruaok
and then we can say, an artist that isn't referenced by anything and hasn't changed in a week can go.
2007-10-24 29724, 2007
ruaok
fair?
2007-10-24 29724, 2007
brianfreud
just wondered why I saw a burst of artist removes... worried that someone moved track artists on one of the annoyingly complicated VA releases I added last week
2007-10-24 29744, 2007
ruaok
nah, just fixing bugs.
2007-10-24 29747, 2007
brianfreud
and yes, a week sounds more than fair
2007-10-24 29732, 2007
brianfreud
seems to work pretty well
2007-10-24 29732, 2007
ruaok
now I'd go with MVC like rails.
2007-10-24 29752, 2007
brianfreud
though I'm thinking there's something screwy somewhere in how the css is being handled, under some unknown set of circumstances...
oh, I know the one you mean - the css <p> modification that neither of us could figure out *why* it was there
2007-10-24 29746, 2007
ruaok
that nonsense.
2007-10-24 29754, 2007
ruaok
dah!
2007-10-24 29758, 2007
brianfreud
hence the edit note workaround
2007-10-24 29713, 2007
ruaok
yeah, I'd pay good chocolate to have that be gone.
2007-10-24 29746, 2007
brianfreud
honestly, when acid gets more done with the xhtml rewrite, I'm thinking a complete css reevaluation...
2007-10-24 29710, 2007
brianfreud
between the 5 or 6 css files, there's just a LOT of "isn't this duplicating that, or fixing this cause that borked it?"
2007-10-24 29743, 2007
ruaok
and a lot of deadwood.
2007-10-24 29747, 2007
brianfreud
yep
2007-10-24 29748, 2007
ruaok
MBChatLogger: off
2007-10-24 29748, 2007
MBChatLogger
is not logging
2007-10-24 29718, 2007
MBChatLogger
is logging
2007-10-24 29728, 2007
brianfreud
Seems like it's kind of, each new feature has added, but the accumlated additions are starting to trigger hard to trace wierdness... hence, why, when acid's done, I'm thinking the next step, before any actual redesign, should be just to clean up the code, so it's easy to manipulate during a redesign
2007-10-24 29744, 2007
brianfreud
make it clean, make it fast, make it small
2007-10-24 29701, 2007
brianfreud
code --> html/xhtml/css, not php/perl
2007-10-24 29753, 2007
ruaok
please, please, please.
2007-10-24 29758, 2007
brianfreud
lol
2007-10-24 29707, 2007
ruaok
there is soo much cruft from when things had to be that way.
2007-10-24 29710, 2007
brianfreud
yup
2007-10-24 29715, 2007
ruaok
which can THANKFULLY now go away.
2007-10-24 29729, 2007
ruaok is glad brianfreud is stepping up
2007-10-24 29736, 2007
brianfreud
well, acid's finished the main page, and the menus. He's working on the voting pages now, to try and make them work without all the funky issues they (and the inline voting) have
2007-10-24 29754, 2007
ruaok drools
2007-10-24 29702, 2007
brianfreud
tossing out the need to support IE5 makes it a lot easier too
2007-10-24 29712, 2007
ruaok
I'd like to see the a new server release pretty soon.
2007-10-24 29720, 2007
ruaok
before the year is out, for sure.
2007-10-24 29725, 2007
brianfreud
that's my hope
2007-10-24 29742, 2007
ruaok
non schema change release, so the process is less constricted and things are easier.
2007-10-24 29749, 2007
brianfreud
are there any actual entire pages you want to do away with?
2007-10-24 29705, 2007
brianfreud
I know of one I think can go, might be others I'm not thinking of
2007-10-24 29712, 2007
ruaok
since the new url structure, I can't really think of any.
I think we need to design the artist page very carefully.
2007-10-24 29726, 2007
brianfreud
agreed
2007-10-24 29742, 2007
ruaok
but I'm just not sure how to go about that.
2007-10-24 29748, 2007
brianfreud
my sense is, if we can get the basic code very clean, and very fast, we can componentize artist.html
2007-10-24 29724, 2007
ruaok
I'll gladly code the JSON backend for that.
2007-10-24 29730, 2007
brianfreud
I keep thinking of the artist page, and the associated artist releases/release/track pages as OOP components, rather than HTML pages
2007-10-24 29744, 2007
ruaok
and that's the way to do it now.
2007-10-24 29759, 2007
brianfreud
kind of the idea I guess was intended with the default release list - but doing it so it's not an awful ugly mess this time
2007-10-24 29716, 2007
ruaok
ohhh, I have an idea.
2007-10-24 29731, 2007
ruaok
let's create a survery of exising web pages that present the same info.
2007-10-24 29741, 2007
brianfreud
agreed
2007-10-24 29747, 2007
ruaok
pick a few interesting cases and present them in a wiki page or so.
2007-10-24 29752, 2007
brianfreud
though, best example of the kind of thing I've been thinking of...
2007-10-24 29758, 2007
ruaok
for people to think about, check out and brainstorm.
2007-10-24 29704, 2007
brianfreud
you ever used the google personalized page, rather than the default google page?
2007-10-24 29722, 2007
ruaok
igoogle?
2007-10-24 29724, 2007
brianfreud
drag and drop component selection and user desired location?
2007-10-24 29731, 2007
brianfreud
yes
2007-10-24 29743, 2007
ruaok
feh. I don't think people will know or care too much.
2007-10-24 29757, 2007
ruaok
I'd much rather see a simple and well thought out page.
2007-10-24 29755, 2007
ruaok
I worked for a software company in the mid-90s where the main feature, above all else, that we needed during the app rewrite was dockable toolbars.
2007-10-24 29717, 2007
ruaok
somehow, someone got it into their head that this was the #1 requested features from customers.
2007-10-24 29721, 2007
brianfreud
lol
2007-10-24 29727, 2007
ruaok
(I'd still like to know how that happened)
2007-10-24 29735, 2007
ruaok
In the end, no one used the feature.
2007-10-24 29737, 2007
ruaok
not even us.
2007-10-24 29742, 2007
brianfreud
well, I don't know that we would need to make it customizable
2007-10-24 29745, 2007
ruaok
not even the person who wanted it.
2007-10-24 29721, 2007
brianfreud
more thinking along the lines of making it not require any js to see the basic data, but if you have js turned on, you can do transforms - the album art view under artist release list, for example
2007-10-24 29709, 2007
brianfreud
non-js to pull the basic list of releases and such, but js pulling needed data (ajax style) as needed, rather than just dumping it all to the browser all at once
2007-10-24 29724, 2007
brianfreud
should make it easier to add new things, while keeping page loading *fast*
2007-10-24 29701, 2007
brianfreud
less server load too, theoretically, as you don't need to pull/feed quite as much data at any one time
2007-10-24 29714, 2007
brianfreud
kind of like, say, the "show AZN, discogs, wiki icons" GM script currently does for the release listing
2007-10-24 29704, 2007
brianfreud
main idea always being, though, keep it clean, keep it fast, and above all, KISS
