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BrianFreud
well, esp considering how grey bootlegs area anyhow,
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BrianFreud
If I want the show from date X, that's the most important
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BrianFreud
normally the bonus tracks are just the spice on the meal
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BrianFreud
and thus, I think the "meal" is what ought to be reflected in the title listing
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cooperaa
yup
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BrianFreud
and that "meal" I treat as live
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drsaunde
i disagree completely
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BrianFreud
but when you get smorgasboard - a mix from different shows, dates, etc,
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BrianFreud
then it's a compilationm, by definition
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drsaunde
when you go as far as to put a date in the title (and these normally aren't part of any titles), all tracks have to be from that date
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BrianFreud disagrees strongly
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cooperaa
BrianFreud, it is a compilation but live overrules
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BrianFreud
where does it say that in the wiki?
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cooperaa
it doesn't
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BrianFreud
exactly
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BrianFreud
main problem is,
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BrianFreud
we have a totally overloaded field
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cooperaa
we can't explain every single little detail
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BrianFreud
it really needs to be two fields
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cooperaa
yes you're right it is overloaded
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cooperaa
we need sub-Live categories
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cooperaa
but we don't have any atm
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BrianFreud
well, why do I have to choose, for an unplugged album, "Live" or "Official"?
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ajh
so, once audio is done, is video next? :)
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BrianFreud
it's both
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cooperaa
but that doesn't mean can start using the non-Live sub categories for live releases
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cooperaa
tt
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cooperaa
you set it to Live and Official
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BrianFreud
oops, you're right
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cooperaa
Live/Album/Compilation/etc
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BrianFreud
sorry, thinking the wrong combination
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BrianFreud
server's 502ing, so I can't pull the list, but offhand, anyone remember the options in that dropdown?
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cooperaa
it really should be like Live: Compilation / EP / Concert Recording / "album"; Studio: Album / EP / Single / Compilation, etc
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BrianFreud
ah, got it to let me in...
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cooperaa
and then you set the release status to Official / Promo / Bootleg
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BrianFreud waits
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drsaunde
the plan for the future is to be able to select more than one...so you can have Live & Compilation...or Live & Spoken Word..or Compilation and EP..etc
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BrianFreud
Ok, currently we have: (unknown), Album, Single, EP, Compilation, Soundtrack, Spokenword, Interview, Audiobook, Live, Remix, and Other
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BrianFreud
i see that list, however, as two groups mixed as one
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cooperaa
yes it definitey is
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BrianFreud
It OUGHT to be: (unknown), Album, Single, EP, Compilation, Soundtrack
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BrianFreud
then separately: (unknown), Spokenword, Interview, Audiobook, Live, Remix, and Other
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drsaunde
not even
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BrianFreud
the one describes what it is
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drsaunde
soundtracks can be compilations or albums...or even live
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BrianFreud
the other describes the CONTENT of what it is
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drsaunde
or even EP
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BrianFreud
I thought about that
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cooperaa
what we need is to be able to apply multiple attributes to each release, but we cannot
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cooperaa
so we pick the most appropriate
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drsaunde
the best way and the plan will be to be able to select all that apply and I know thats in the works for the future
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BrianFreud
but it's pretty much a given that a soundtrack is either a compilation, or an album specificially written to be a soundtrack
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BrianFreud
exactly
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BrianFreud
my definition at least gives some consistancy for the moment
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BrianFreud
in the future they can always be "corrected" to add in the additional aspects then allowed
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drsaunde
i disagree...for a release with all tracks live...most everyone familiar with the database will look for these under live
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BrianFreud
but you're again making a judgement call
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cooperaa
I don't think so
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cooperaa
would you label it if you could?
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cooperaa
label it live?
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BrianFreud
you said the presence of 5 tracks from a studio overrode the 15 tracks that were live
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cooperaa
if its a live release, it doesn't matter at the moment if its a compilation too
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BrianFreud
where is the cutoff?
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BrianFreud
all I know is,
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cooperaa
if they aren't bonus tracks then its a comp
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BrianFreud
on any bootleg reference site I go to,
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cooperaa
if they are bonus its live
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drsaunde
1/2 +1...its supposed to be the majority
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BrianFreud
you get three groups.
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BrianFreud
single concert, dual concert, compilation
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cooperaa
okay I understand you
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cooperaa
so what we need to be able to do is say "X is a Live Compilation"
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cooperaa
but we can't
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BrianFreud
drsaunde: then how is 15/5 compilation? it's not 1/2 +1...
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drsaunde
i would classify that as live...as the majority of the tracks are so
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drsaunde
that is directly from the official wiki
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BrianFreud
cooperaa: exactly, hence why I have a fudged definition to at least make SOME sense of it for the moment
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cooperaa
I don't think majority is a good way to do this
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cooperaa
what if a band plays very very long songs?
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drsaunde
like the Allmans
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cooperaa
and they have a single-track EP that is 40 minutes long, but has two live tracks tagged on the end that are each 4 mins long for bonus material
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cooperaa
I don't think you could argue that is a live release if the band intended it to be an album or ep
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cooperaa
(obviously I meant three track EP, with one track that is 40 mins :) )
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BrianFreud
drsaunde:
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drsaunde
point taken..but in that case...the majority of the material is still EP
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BrianFreud
wasn't ignoring you, was looking back through the log a sec
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cooperaa
fair enough
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cooperaa
:)
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cooperaa
okay well, that's enough debating for one night :)
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drsaunde
agreed...sleepy time
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cooperaa
gotta get up for work tomorrow and I want to squeeze some South Park in before sleep
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BrianFreud
drsaunde: you just said 15/5 you could call live. I looked back and found cooperaa's answer to the same question...
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BrianFreud
<cooperaa> compilation
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BrianFreud
"
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drsaunde
Go Raptors!
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BrianFreud
lol
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cooperaa
hehehe :)
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cooperaa
I would say comp unless they were bonus*
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BrianFreud
all I'm saying is it's grey. later we fix. :P
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drsaunde has quit
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cooperaa
alright
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BrianFreud
cooperaa: agreed
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cooperaa prays for multiple release attributes ;)
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BrianFreud
yup
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cooperaa
hehe
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cooperaa
catchya later
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BrianFreud
how about a soundtrack with live tracks plus studio demos?
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BrianFreud
LOL
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cooperaa
lol good night
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BrianFreud stops being a prick
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BrianFreud
see ya cooper`
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BrianFreud
good debate guys :)
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Jugdish
sigh
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Jugdish
how many more days of 502's must we endure? :((
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BrianFreud
Ruoak said tonight's a bandaid, but better performance is on the way
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BrianFreud
wb ruoak, how was the bike ride?
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dmp_
dmp_ is now known as workingmoose
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BrianFreud
hail dmppanda
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BrianFreud
bon soir
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BrianFreud
ca va?
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workingmoose
bonjour Brian ;)
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workingmoose
oui, ça va
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BrianFreud
ca va bien, merci
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workingmoose
BrianFreud: not yet sleeping, or already awaken? :p
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BrianFreud
not yet sleeping
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BrianFreud
j'ai vu votre commentaire concernant le wiki
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workingmoose
which one? LiveBootlegStyle?
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BrianFreud
no, le label
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BrianFreud
oui... je n'ai pas une ligne
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workingmoose
ok ;) did it helped?
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BrianFreud
yes... but I think one line may have lost something in the translation
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workingmoose
ok... can you give me the link and an indication what's wrong?
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BrianFreud
you have a line in which you refer to bootleg production companies reissuing re-etc re-etc...
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BrianFreud
sure, looking now
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