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aCiD2
I'm curious how people think it should be handled though :)
2008-07-21 20341, 2008
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aCiD2
ruaok: do you think mb will ever start hiring people?
2008-07-21 20348, 2008
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ruaok
yes.
2008-07-21 20350, 2008
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ruaok
this fall.
2008-07-21 20353, 2008
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aCiD2
mb offices with a bunch of people hacking away would be awesome
2008-07-21 20358, 2008
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aCiD2
really!? awesomeness :D
2008-07-21 20315, 2008
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ruaok
yes. we should have money to throw at a dedicated mb_server dev
2008-07-21 20315, 2008
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aCiD2
I assume still internet based, but still cool
2008-07-21 20332, 2008
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ruaok
yep.
2008-07-21 20333, 2008
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ruaok
aCiD2: do you have libofa install on your linux box?
2008-07-21 20341, 2008
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ruaok
would you mind trying to test a new tarball for me?
2008-07-21 20343, 2008
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aCiD2
yup, installed it earlier I believe
2008-07-21 20345, 2008
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ruaok
would anyone?
2008-07-21 20345, 2008
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aCiD2
sure
2008-07-21 20347, 2008
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ruaok
2008-07-21 20303, 2008
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ruaok
its not anything new -- I just need to sanity check this tarball.
2008-07-21 20334, 2008
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aCiD2
slowest 500kb download evar -_-
2008-07-21 20345, 2008
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ruaok
ya, sorry.
2008-07-21 20313, 2008
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ruaok
ga, fucked up the timestamps.
2008-07-21 20319, 2008
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ruaok
clock on that box is bork
2008-07-21 20305, 2008
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aCiD2
checking whether build environment is sane... configure: error: newly created file is older than distributed files!
2008-07-21 20309, 2008
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aCiD2
that what you mean re: clock?
2008-07-21 20315, 2008
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ruaok
ya. one sec.
2008-07-21 20322, 2008
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ruaok
lemme fix the time and rebuild. :)
2008-07-21 20325, 2008
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aCiD2
):
2008-07-21 20314, 2008
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ruaok
aCiD2: re-download please.
2008-07-21 20307, 2008
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LotR
aCiD2 has become an official build-guinea-pig :)
2008-07-21 20358, 2008
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aCiD2
good enough for me!
2008-07-21 20311, 2008
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milosz
milosz is now known as deadchp
2008-07-21 20352, 2008
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ruaok
the title of guniea pig or the tarball?
2008-07-21 20313, 2008
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aCiD2
haha, the title so far :P
2008-07-21 20319, 2008
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aCiD2
make was fine
2008-07-21 20302, 2008
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aCiD2
ruaok: make ran without errors, do you have a test target or anything I should run too?
2008-07-21 20316, 2008
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ruaok
naw, make is what I am mostly concerned with.
2008-07-21 20318, 2008
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ruaok
thx!
2008-07-21 20321, 2008
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aCiD2
np :)
2008-07-21 20323, 2008
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Kerensky97
What is the wiki markup for adding sig to a mbwiki page?
2008-07-21 20334, 2008
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murdos joined the channel
2008-07-21 20346, 2008
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ruaok
bonjour murdos!
2008-07-21 20301, 2008
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murdos
hallo ruaok!
2008-07-21 20307, 2008
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ruaok
:-)
2008-07-21 20326, 2008
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ruaok
2008-07-21 20337, 2008
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ruaok
I need to flesh that out and post it somewhere
2008-07-21 20355, 2008
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murdos
\o/
2008-07-21 20313, 2008
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aCiD2
yo murdos :)
2008-07-21 20317, 2008
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murdos
good news!
2008-07-21 20324, 2008
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murdos
hi aCiD2 :)
2008-07-21 20338, 2008
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murdos goes reading the report ;)
2008-07-21 20308, 2008
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aCiD2
i'm not very good with words, so it may well be a little verbose at points... that or just make absolutely no sense :P
2008-07-21 20315, 2008
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aCiD2
it needs to be on the wika
2008-07-21 20340, 2008
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murdos
don't seem complete: dmppanda said to me there were gin tonic and nightclubs ;)
2008-07-21 20347, 2008
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aCiD2
:P
2008-07-21 20355, 2008
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ruaok
loi
2008-07-21 20305, 2008
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ruaok
that was the afterhours afterhours.
2008-07-21 20314, 2008
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murdos
lol
2008-07-21 20341, 2008
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murdos
so the plan is that BBC start to work on NGS from the TemplateToolkit version?
2008-07-21 20303, 2008
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aCiD2
oh good point actually murdos, I meant to ask you this ruaok... what is the status about the BBC working alongside my work?
2008-07-21 20324, 2008
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ruaok
I haven't heard much since leaving london.
2008-07-21 20330, 2008
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ruaok
so, I don't know.
2008-07-21 20332, 2008
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aCiD2
anyone I should email?
2008-07-21 20343, 2008
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ruaok
the only thing I was worried about was them getting ahead of you.
2008-07-21 20344, 2008
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ruaok
naw.
2008-07-21 20351, 2008
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murdos
:)
2008-07-21 20352, 2008
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aCiD2
okie dokie
2008-07-21 20325, 2008
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murdos
so ruaok, what the roadmap in the near future for the server?
2008-07-21 20349, 2008
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ruaok
near future...
2008-07-21 20356, 2008
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murdos
do you still plan to do an non-db-schema release?
2008-07-21 20303, 2008
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ruaok
no.
2008-07-21 20310, 2008
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ruaok
the next release will be schema change.
2008-07-21 20333, 2008
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MBChatLogger
drop table trm;
2008-07-21 20333, 2008
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ruaok
part of that will be trm removal, various bugs, tag improvements, probably cd lookup improvements.
2008-07-21 20344, 2008
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ruaok
and whatever you and luks would like to squeeze in.
2008-07-21 20353, 2008
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murdos
oki
2008-07-21 20358, 2008
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ruaok
then we'll proably have a release with niklas' discography support.
2008-07-21 20310, 2008
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ruaok
then a release with aCiD2's TT work much later this year.
2008-07-21 20319, 2008
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murdos
what is the purpose of cd lookup improvements?
2008-07-21 20320, 2008
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ruaok
then all work going forward should be based on TT.
2008-07-21 20333, 2008
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murdos
sure, go for TT !!
2008-07-21 20342, 2008
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ruaok
to make the cd lookup features a little easier to use.
2008-07-21 20345, 2008
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aCiD2
ruaok: sounds like a good time as well, I really want to get this polished before we push it out
2008-07-21 20353, 2008
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aCiD2
make sure everything is done as cleanly as it can :)
2008-07-21 20300, 2008
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ruaok
mainly to make it so that we can use it to make money to hire more devs.
2008-07-21 20308, 2008
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ruaok
aCiD2: yep. :)
2008-07-21 20321, 2008
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murdos
and what about timestamped entites which will allow google search, RSS, ... ?
2008-07-21 20321, 2008
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ruaok
not sure if we can make the google search happen just yet, but that is scheduled for the next release
2008-07-21 20322, 2008
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murdos
and then we'll be flooded by new users :|
2008-07-21 20335, 2008
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aCiD2
you say it like it's a bad thing :P
2008-07-21 20338, 2008
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murdos
with its good and its bad
2008-07-21 20342, 2008
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ruaok
that part of the issue I'm worried about.
2008-07-21 20353, 2008
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ruaok
indeed. too much traffic == bad.
2008-07-21 20304, 2008
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ruaok
huge influx of users is also bad for the community.
2008-07-21 20320, 2008
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murdos
I'm not sure the moderation system is ready for that
2008-07-21 20336, 2008
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aCiD2
hmmm
2008-07-21 20347, 2008
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ruaok
we proabably need to move the WS to EC2 before we can have enough capacituy on the main servers for that
2008-07-21 20310, 2008
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Muzzz_
Heheh
2008-07-21 20321, 2008
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Muzzz_
Hadoop cluster!
2008-07-21 20344, 2008
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ruaok
I failz to see how hadoop will help here.
2008-07-21 20301, 2008
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Muzzz_
Oh storage, not computation
2008-07-21 20314, 2008
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Muzzz_ was half paying attention and half playing keyboard heh
2008-07-21 20342, 2008
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murdos
ruaok: got a minute? I've a question about db schema for ratings
2008-07-21 20348, 2008
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ruaok
shoot
2008-07-21 20359, 2008
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murdos
2008-07-21 20318, 2008
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murdos
I'm not sure it'a good idea to have separate tables for aggregate ratings
2008-07-21 20342, 2008
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Muzzz_
aCiD2: was it you harping on about trying to get data out of rolldabeats a while ago?
2008-07-21 20300, 2008
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murdos
there's 1 rating for 1 entity, so we could have the rating in the artist table e.g.
2008-07-21 20315, 2008
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ruaok
IN the artist table?
2008-07-21 20321, 2008
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ruaok
or artist_rating?
2008-07-21 20321, 2008
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murdos
will allow to use less dabase requests
2008-07-21 20331, 2008
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murdos
yes, in the artist table
2008-07-21 20341, 2008
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ruaok
certainly no in the artist table.
2008-07-21 20345, 2008
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ruaok
that conflates too much data.
2008-07-21 20353, 2008
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murdos
you think?
2008-07-21 20306, 2008
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murdos
the problem will be on the artist page or a release page
2008-07-21 20307, 2008
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ruaok
and we want to keep the raw ratings separate from the main metadata.
2008-07-21 20334, 2008
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murdos
we will load the release ratings + n*ratings for the tracks
2008-07-21 20343, 2008
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ruaok
for instance, in tags we have raw tags in the rawdata server and the aggregate tags in the main server.
2008-07-21 20310, 2008
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murdos
2008-07-21 20315, 2008
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ruaok
this way we can have the raw data grow big -- without needing a STUPIDLY large database server.
2008-07-21 20341, 2008
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ruaok
ok.
2008-07-21 20351, 2008
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murdos
but in the end, once you've calculated the averate rating, you only have 1 rating for 1 artist
2008-07-21 20358, 2008
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ruaok
the tags are very similar to the ratings.
2008-07-21 20312, 2008
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ruaok
we keep the aggregate tags up to date automatically.
2008-07-21 20319, 2008
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ruaok
and the user may not always want to know the tags.
2008-07-21 20334, 2008
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ruaok
user in this case could be a WS caller or a mason/tt page asking for data.
2008-07-21 20343, 2008
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murdos
exepted that you've many tags for 1 artist, but only one rating (says 3/5)
2008-07-21 20357, 2008
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ruaok
by creating better granularity we can better tailor our database requests.
2008-07-21 20319, 2008
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ruaok
it should still be in a separate table.
2008-07-21 20323, 2008
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murdos
ok
2008-07-21 20337, 2008
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ruaok
I used to think much like you, but pretty much all those conflating decisions I've come to regret.
2008-07-21 20345, 2008
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ruaok
for instance the page column in the entities.
2008-07-21 20352, 2008
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ruaok
that is used for paging the browse pages.
2008-07-21 20302, 2008
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ruaok
works, but it doesn't belong in those tables.
2008-07-21 20330, 2008
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ruaok
now, luks and I were just talking about creating artist_meta and track_meta tables.
2008-07-21 20337, 2008
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ruaok tries to remember for what
2008-07-21 20342, 2008
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ruaok
oh yeah, timestamps.
2008-07-21 20357, 2008
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ruaok
see, luks feels that even timestamps should not be inthe main tables.
2008-07-21 20307, 2008
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ruaok
but in a separate _meta table.
2008-07-21 20321, 2008
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ruaok
let's create the _meta tables and put the aggregate rating and timestamps in there.
2008-07-21 20329, 2008
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ruaok
how does that sound?
2008-07-21 20343, 2008
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murdos
ok for me, you're the db architect :)
2008-07-21 20349, 2008
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ruaok
me?
2008-07-21 20355, 2008
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ruaok
oh boy, we're in trouble.
2008-07-21 20311, 2008
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ruaok
whenever I do something I ask luks to tell me how i screwed it up and how to fix it. :)
2008-07-21 20325, 2008
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murdos
yes lol, you've much more experience than me of real application
2008-07-21 20331, 2008
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murdos
ok :)
2008-07-21 20335, 2008
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ruaok
:-)
2008-07-21 20354, 2008
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ruaok
hmmm. how do we do this?
2008-07-21 20308, 2008
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ruaok
given that the timestamps are in trunk and your stuff is in a branch...
2008-07-21 20331, 2008
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murdos
I've branched rating recently
2008-07-21 20342, 2008
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murdos
so maybe I've it
