in France we don't even have electric outlets in most trains
nikkitrain
hmm...
I don't see many on ours
but this is a cross-country train
pankkake
one is better than none :)
i frequently do 6 hours of train
nikkitrain
ouch
from where to where? :o
warp was very happy with having 220v under his seat in the ICE from Utrecht -> Frankfurt.
warp
noticed wifi too, but it wasn't free. (didn't need internet anyway).
canidae
ooh, an electric chair
nikkitrain
yeah, these trains used to have wifi that you had to pay for
warp
nikkitrain: where are you traveling to/from?
nikkitrain
london to scunthorpe
going to see my family
warp
aah, nice.
nikkitrain
not really :/
warp
(assuming you have a nice family)
oh :(
canidae
that's interesting, your "isp" is swedish
nikkitrain
isp?
ohh
I read it as a syllable, like lisp
canidae
unless you've ssh'ed to some swedish box or something
nikkitrain
nope
I've noticed the isp shows up as swedish when I connect from my phone too
warp
weird!
spike has quit
_spike joined the channel
pankkake
from paris to toulouse (france->france)
petros
Sweden is prolly taking over the world by digital subterfuge. Can't trust those ABBA-loving bastards, I tell ya.
canidae
sweden is really good on net connections
there are certain things i'd like norway to learn from sweden, this country seems to be going downhill these days
nikkitrain
hey, would you join the eu if it were up to you?
canidae
me? no, not really, but i'd probably vote yes
warp
i'd probably vote no.
then again, our dutch government would also have been crap entirely on its own... so it doesn't matter all that much.
nikkitrain
I'm always curious how other people feel about the eu, there's so many anti-eu people here in the uk
but I just like the fact that I can leave the uk later on :P
warp
nikkitrain: there are certainly benefits, and it's hard for me to imagine how .nl would be without the EU.
but i also like certain things about .nl, which are somewhat at risk because of the EU.
nikkitrain
oh?
warp
nikkitrain: even though i don't do any drugs, i like that marijuana is almost legal here in .nl. most other EU countries, especially france aren't too happy about that :)
nikkitrain
ahh
canidae
laws around drugs are screwed in every aspect
warp
a benefit of EU: frisian is taught better in schools now than when I was in high-school, because of EU laws which protect minority languages, probably some money to protect/stimulate their use involved too.
canidae
in norway, alcohol, nicotine and coffeine is legal
lsd, psilocybin, marijuana are illegal
ironically enough, _nobody_ has died from lsd overdose, it's not physically addictive and it's not considered a "hard drug" unlike alcohol
the laws around drugs are based on tradition, not facts
alcohol was accepted in christianity, so it's legal. it's impossible to make it illegal now, given that ~everyone use it
nikkitrain
I saw a documentary in college which was arguments for and against making more drugs legal, they said if someone hadn't discovered alcohol until now, there's no way it would be legal
canidae
ofcourse not
so, what now? it's illogical that alcohol is legal, while softer drugs are illegal. making alcohol illegal won't work.
nikkitrain
alcohol is way too easy to make yourself anyway
canidae
well, psilocybin you can find in the nature all over the world :p
you don't even have to "make" it, you "pick it"
i'm for making drugs legal, given that the drug's effects only affects the user. it's not the goverments task to protect me from myself
nikkitrain
possessing drugs, I agree
not sure I agree with people selling them
canidae
(since this is logged and people might use it against me, i've not broken any norwegian laws when it comes to drugs)
oh, wait... i once "smuggled" a bottle of tequila from denmark when i was 18 or 19... i'm not sure if it was illegal, you can buy tequila legally in denmark when you're 18 (iirc), and i didn't exceed the tax limit when i brought it to norway, although i'm unsure if it's illegal for someone 18 to possess booze (or if it's only selling booze to someone under 20, or consuming it)
nikkitrain
hmm...
some people here want to raise the age limit for alcohol
but I don't think that would work
it just makes it even more tempting for all those rebellious teenagers
pankkake
it never works
yet they try again, and again
with "drugs", tobacco, alcohol, same laws, different times, same failures
nikkitrain
and they all have friends who are like 25 anyway who'll buy alcohol for them
pankkake
this is depressing
people that will sell bad alcohol for a bad price
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canidae
yeh, that's another aspect; when you make it illegal people will still find ways to obtain it, and then with questionable quality
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nikkitrain needs to change trains soon and will be back later