#musicbrainz

Well, the banks certainly were

ruaok, why do you trust the ECB so much more than the fed? on account of who runs the executive branch currently?

yep. and gold hit $1000 yesterday. :)

brick_ijigg: yep.

all right

let the strength of the euro and the weakness of the dollar make it clear whom I trust.

the executive branch has very little influence on the Fed reserve -- again that's the point of the thing

benanke is a tool.

ruaok: it's coming for the euro.

long live greenspan!

yes, i miss greenspan too. but he really was getting too old

yeah, bummer for all of us.

the executive branch however does have quite an impact upon foreign policy... and we simply don't even really seem to have any foreign policy, except perhaps to line the wallets of certain few interests before they're out of power

woah. that's geeky

Or just nuts

kinda like my friends: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jdp0rter/sets/7215...

ruaok: yeah, but he was making that *good* money on wall street, and greenspan was his hero ;)

heh.

ruaok: AWESOME

I love the fact that when the media figured out that he was gonna wear his good tie when announcing rate changes, he started mixing up his ties to throw them off the scent.

ruaok: greenspan meeting were our favorite form of entertainment when i was working financial services

in DC, all things stop when he was broadcast

greenspan loved to ply with people's minds -- especially the press

and most importantly greenspan was a jazz musician and one point in his very long career :-D

I honestly, though, really would like to see someone - anyone - stop all the politics for once and really focus on fixing things. It's so bad here, any clients I was doing work for have gone out of business - within a half mile of me now, the only places left unshuttered are 1 gas station, 1 convenence store, 1 hospital, and the cheese factory. The economy really is already tanked here

up north i can believe it. it's a mfg town up there

:-o

yes, and they've begun laying people off

too often people think "fixing things" mean "making things the way they used to be"

are there any audiophiles in here?

I have some questions on speaker placement

major layoffs are predicted in LA too.

BrianFreud: That conundrum can be explained in several ways. My favourite being the one a swedish rapper used.

brick_ijigg: I don't really care how they fix it, but my street is *the* main street in south buffalo, and it's almost entirely boarded up buildings

Aval0n: first what kind of speakers and what kind of room

"Everybody wants to go to heaven, but noone wants to die"

yllona: ok well currently I have some JBL bookshelf speakers

but I am getting some inwalls from my sister

they were like $200.00 per speaker

my problem is the wall that my plasma is on is not big

Nobody likes great changes

so I am wondering where to put them

Aval0n: what kind of room? windows, ceiling height etc

I don't really care if the changes are small or great - I just want to have enough places around able to stay in business, so I can find work...

9 ft celings

I am wondering if I should put the front inwalls in the ceiling instead

you can see in those pics the bookshelf speakers I have currently

oh, i wouldn't do that. moving will become a PITA

PITA?

oh

pain in the ass

what do you mean by moving?

the work moving the speakers?

if you move house

i'm not planning on moving any time soon

my wife _HATES_ having those booshelves

and yes moving the speakers too

you can see how I have very limited space to the right and left of the plasma

chefkoch is now known as chefkoch_AW

chefkoch_AW is now known as chefkoch

and if I put the inwalls where the L and R front channels are now.. they would be facing eachother and I don't know how that would sound.

well. i'd wall-mount rather than in-wall. it's messy, and if you make a mistake... your wife will really be angry then

get some inexpensive hooks, and test speaker placement

*inexpensive wall hooks

really that's what i do. test speaker in diffrent parts of the room. over a few eeks.

well there's the thing

I OWN the in-wall speakers

*few weeks, with diffrent types of music.

and want to install them

i'm not a fan of in-wall, unless they're installed in a renovation/build-out. but that's just me

they sounded amazing in my sister's house

like I said they weren't cheap

$200,00 per speaker

I don't know the specs on them however.

cheap is relative when talking about speakers

but before you mount them in wall, get the wall hooks and test placement. it will save you *lots* of grief

that's not a horrible idea

if you have to patch a wall... just don't go there

also if you live in a townhouse or duplex (not a free standing building). you'll need to check with your homeowners and or renters agreement about in-wall spakers

*speakers

i'm a home owner

as the sound/bass. etc can carry thru to your neighbor.

yes, but is it a free standing building?

yes....

okay, no worries there then

;)

just your wife's wrath, if you screw up and leave a hole in the wall :P

haha

it's ok I remodeled house for a while

the work isn't the part i'm worried about

it happens -- get the wall hooks

also even tho you're not moving anytime soon, in wall fixtures typically "convey" (transfer) when you sell the house -- at least here in the US

unless you take them out before you put the house up for sale

the ones I have I ripped out of my sister's house before she put it up for sale

take then out and patch the walls yes

here is the next sign: "Taking the gross domestic product of both economies in 2007, the combined GDP of the 15 countries which use the euro overtook that of the United States when the European currency surged to a record high of more than $1.56 per euro."

i agree that euros are the smart move. but where to put them?

in a bank in europe. :)

all the european banks have been hammered as well.

barclays, RSC, HSBC etc

you could get crazy and go with lloyds, but then... your mattress is prb'ly an equally good option

ruaok, GDP at purchasing power parity is usually a better measure of relative economic power (imho)

because of course the above happens when you don't account for exchange rate changes

brick_ijigg: yep.

I'm not squabbling over any one point, but the overall trend.

several years ago my onetime boss told me the U.S. was a "sinking ship" and that he was moving to brazil.

hope his country inn is doing good business there :)

ruaok: talk to a professional. i struggled with this same issue after selling a home.

where to put the money?

Another home. Land, diversified papers, stocks and bonds.

Maybe a Jimmy Buffetish islang.

i'm just happy to have unloaded property before the real-eatate crash here. but my financial advior issued avery stern warning almost 4 years ago.

yllona: What were the average drop in prices during the current crash?

she sold all her property too. another home is not the answer now

percentage wise

petros: 25-50% sometimes higher

WOW. That was bad economics

homes in Southern california are at an all-time low -- except for "luxury homes". the biggest problem is that noone can get ffinancing

"all-time" is quite an exaggeration

cali, florida, the sun belt. it's really bad all-over

brick_ijigg: it's the lowest since the began tracking the numbers accurately

i have no clue when you think that was

brick_ijigg: check the LA Times, it's front-page news

one sec

i read it every day.

bbiab!

petros: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-homes14ma...

home prices down 19% in a year

19% below their peak, sure

also down 19% in a year, like a said

"Home values in Riverside and San Bernardino counties, for example, plunged by about 21% last month compared with year-earlier figures."