#musicbrainz

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      • Yllona
        CatCat: the same could be said for jefferson airplane/starship
      • CatCat
        then use the one they're changing into?
      • pbryan
        It matters not, in my opinion.
      • CatCat
        Yllona: yes but here they actually *did* change their name :)
      • drsaunde
        but they never actually changed their same...sure i'd agree with a new entry if the new name was Panic at the Slaughterhouse, or Party at the Disco
      • CatCat
        also, lol
      • Now grooving to: Metallica ~ Enter Sandman (7:39) (from S&M (disc 2)) (1999)
      • again, i notice what im playing
      • drsaunde: i think you hit it right on
      • nikki_ yawns
      • hi nikki <3
      • Kerensky97
        "Sorry guys, your name change doesn't count on MusicBrainz because you didn't change enough characters."
      • CatCat
        come on Kerensky97
      • nikki_
        hei mo
      • pbryan
        John Mellencamp covers Johnny Cougar's work, John "Cougar" Mellencamp's work and John Mellencamp's work.
      • CatCat
        noone says they cant have their new name
      • drsaunde
        well it counts for the fact we'll list the new name, but the group really needs to understand the diff between changing a NAME and changing PUNCTUATION
      • CatCat nods
      • nikki_
        oh this again...
      • pbryan
        drsaunde: The group doesn't need to understand this.
      • nikki_
        nikki_ is now known as nikki
      • CatCat
        pbryan: you make it sound liek differnt people/artistpersonalities
      • drsaunde
        i think they do if they are issueing a press release to announce said information
      • CatCat
        :)
      • pbryan
        CatCat: I'm just trying to use precedent within MB as an argument for not keeping P!ATD and PATD separated.
      • Kerensky97
        A name is a name, no matter what it is. What about names that are nothing but punctuation?
      • CatCat
        uh whait, we're agreeing now?
      • CatCat confused
      • pbryan
        CatCat: we agreed from the start.
      • CatCat
        ok..
      • copper
        lies
      • CatCat
        :s
      • copper
        people don't agree in the internets
      • pbryan
        You said, "uh, they shouldn't" and I responded: "exactly!"
      • This InterWeb is a strange beast.
      • CatCat
        also there are no men on rthe interbutt, thewre are only geekergirls pretendign to be old pervy men and old women pretendign t obe geeky 16 yr old boys, and yaoi fangirls
      • FauxFaux
        <Dilbert> EXACTLY!
      • CatCat
        pbryan: oh, i didnt see that
      • pbryan
        :)
      • Kerensky97
        Mark my words, we're going to be people try to change this back, or new entries under the old name after this.
      • drsaunde
        okay here's a punctuation only example: http://musicbrainz.org/artist/2624e8b9-3f77-453... They have also used "Plus Minus" on covers
      • Kerensky97
        just like John Mellencamp
      • pbryan
        Kerensky97: Hopefully the MB data model expands to hold all of the variants of an artist's name.
      • CatCat
        i dotn care rats about this mellencampy champ
      • drsaunde: do they make news posts interviews abotu it?
      • Kerensky97
        So instead of fixing MusicBrainz we're going to merge and lose the existing info we have.
      • drsaunde wonders about the person who won the Pink House so long ago
      • CatCat
        you mean P!nk?
      • CatCat groans thinking abotu that silly nin whatever
      • CatCat also knows we'd be havign this issue if there exsisted a reverse B
      • *on ABBA*
      • hmm
      • adba
      • lol
      • pbryan
        P!nk, get her name right guys.
      • Kerensky97
        Yeah, the punctuation is different!
      • CatCat
        i dont think thats her name thoguh
      • drsaunde
        CatCat: John Cougar (at the time) had an album called Pink Houses, and I think this was the first big MTV contest where someone won a Pink House
      • pbryan
        I don't even know how to pronounce that spelling of her name.
      • Kerensky97
        besides it's an upside down i
      • CatCat
        drsaunde: mtv has a contest where peopel win houses?
      • its Pink not P!nk
      • pbryan
        Kerensky97: I happen to disagree with the spelling of Pink's name in MB>
      • It's P!nk in MB.
      • drsaunde
        CatCat: This was 1983 (possibly 1984)
      • FauxFaux
        Should be spelled "Pants" lulz
      • CatCat
        P§nk is liek nin's reverse n, and sillyness like [enter example here]
      • Kerensky97
        How about when people argue that musicbrainz should use the unicode IV instead of I V for roman numerals?
      • pbryan
        Whenever I try to pronounce "P!nk", I get saliva all over my LCD screen.
      • FauxFaux
        PBANKink.
      • CatCat
        Kerensky97: the peopel woh argue that dotn know the styleguidelines
      • FauxFaux
        *bang*
      • CatCat
        sillyfaux
      • pbryan
        pee-bang-ink
      • FauxFaux
        FatCat.
      • CatCat
        o_O
      • Kerensky97
        Catcat: the vote won because of the styleguidelines
      • CatCat
        .. take that back :(
      • FauxFaux
        Artist intent makes me sad. So very sad.
      • Kerensky97
        "artist intent"
      • CatCat
        then they are following the *wrong* styleguidelines
      • seriously
      • pbryan
        Those damn artists.
      • How dare they produce confusing metadata.
      • Kerensky97
        "Artist Intent" rules all sometimes, but not with P!atD
      • FauxFaux
        PANIC!
      • drsaunde
        there should be no absolute rules are far as these listing artists names together or not... should always be on a case-by-case basis as there are so many different types of corner cases
      • FauxFaux
        pbryan: /Exactly/.
      • pbryan
        "Don't Panic!"
      • CatCat
        herreguda! NOONE is saying they cant change theri name into panic ant the not bang disco!
      • drsaunde: ding
      • nikki
        but the artist said their intent is to not have an exclamation mark...
      • did they not?
      • CatCat
        yes
      • FauxFaux attempts to play "ППК" - "ResuRection (Wellenrausch remix)" from "ResuRection" [2002], but can't find it. ¬_¬
      • so why not change/erge wtf ever that?
      • FauxFaux
        (tagging with file-names based on sort order ftw)
      • pbryan
        PAПIC!
      • FauxFaux
        pbryan: That's a P, dufus. :p
      • CatCat
        they said they *changed* whateve, right? they didtn say "we are making a NEW band now, caleld PATD, WITOUTH the bang"
      • pbryan
        :)
      • CatCat
        PI-Nk?
      • Kerensky97
        Jefferson Airplane "changed" to Jefferson Starship
      • pbryan
        Yes.
      • Kerensky97
        But its alpha numeric so it doesn't count
      • CatCat
        yes, and space *merged* into uriah heep
      • pbryan
        It's substantially different.
      • CatCat
        wtf ever
      • MB just cant show these complicated artist dohickies. YET, whien whien whine
      • pbryan
        CatCat: lol
      • CatCat
        isntead of arguing, we can just get over it and wait until it does work
      • pbryan waits patiently.
      • FauxFaux
        (You know, even after all this time spent with you crazy people, I still haven't heard anything by urinal heap)
      • CatCat
        liek everything else
      • aCiD2
        and make sure we have bug reports so the devs know*
      • CatCat
        liek labels, AR's languages
      • Kerensky97
        I think we should fix MB instead of changing data.
      • pbryan
        Most editors are horrible Perl programmers.
      • drsaunde
        Jefferson Airplane didn't CHANGE to Jefferson Starship, only 2 members (Kantner and Slick) remained with a whole different band hence the new name, but they wanted to trade (read: sell records because of) on the old name to help the new group
      • CatCat
        i think i shoudl leave and shower befeor i start beign a trolly wanker
      • nikki
        most programmers are horrible perl programmers :P
      • pbryan
        lol I resemble that.
      • CatCat bows to drsaunde
      • Kerensky97
        Sorry, I'll go back to the Rhapsody of Fire example. They didn't change it all.
      • CatCat
        but seriousyl.. ¬_¬ not liking queen ¬_¬
      • pbryan
        CatCat: seriously?
      • drsaunde
        well...on that case I would probably support a merge
      • pbryan
        Bohemian Rhapsody?
      • CatCat
        merge your godamn rapsody on fire whatever. i dotn care
      • JoanW joined the channel
      • nikki
        hey joan!
      • CatCat
        hi joazasn
      • joan
      • pbryan
        JoanW: feeling better?
      • JoanW
        hi nikki and mo
      • CatCat grumbles.. *great* now ill be even more procrastinated
      • a bit better than yesterday
      • CatCat
        its all Kerensky's fault :(
      • Kerensky97
        :P
      • JoanW
        strange thing - father-in-=law was
      • CatCat
        huh..
      • random thing israndom
      • (my music player)
      • JoanW
        strange thing - father in law was taken into hospital whilst I was talking to you all night -= same thing as I have had, but he is 80 years old so is much worse
      • nikki
        aww :(
      • CatCat
        dorry to do this toyou joan (its awesome to have you here) but i need to vacuume and shower
      • awww
      • nikki
        hope he'll be ok
      • JoanW
        he will be now he is getting proper care
      • CatCat
        :s