akiel: It's because you edited an already existing AR.
2008-03-02 06203, 2008
Freso
akiel: Until that AR is voted through, the shown AR won't be updated.
2008-03-02 06232, 2008
Freso
(It should have that yellowish background colour though.)
2008-03-02 06200, 2008
akiel
yes its yellow
2008-03-02 06225, 2008
akiel
do you like to vote if I upload the relevant page of the booklet?
2008-03-02 06229, 2008
Tykling
I am about to add the label "Virgin Records Scandinavia" which by the way doesn't exist anymore. What should I choose for country, since scandinavia covers several countries but not at all worldwide ?
yes, I just put that url in the edit note actually :)
2008-03-02 06238, 2008
Tykling
but it says virgin records scandinavia on the cd cover here
2008-03-02 06258, 2008
akiel
So I never added a label by myself - so I'm not experienced in that thing
2008-03-02 06235, 2008
akiel
hmm I think AB is an addon like Inc. or GmbH (Germany)
2008-03-02 06241, 2008
Tykling
this is a cd from 1992 which is in the late years of the label, they might have called themselves Virgin Scandinavia AB before, I dunno
2008-03-02 06251, 2008
Tykling
yes it is
2008-03-02 06255, 2008
mudcrow
i'm very much against adding regional record companies as labels. the imprint is the same as every other virgin release
2008-03-02 06205, 2008
Freso
akiel: If you upload a scan of the booklet, I'll vote.
2008-03-02 06224, 2008
Tykling
ok, but it seems there is a whole bunch of other country specific virgin labels added
2008-03-02 06231, 2008
Tykling
so I figured that was the way to do it
2008-03-02 06201, 2008
mudcrow
Virgin used the same imprint/label/logo worldwide, regional record companies ARE NOT labels
2008-03-02 06222, 2008
akiel
fresco: yes I will do it
2008-03-02 06226, 2008
Tykling
ok then, I'll add it under "Virgin (UK/Worldwide)"
2008-03-02 06216, 2008
mudcrow
discogs is about to remove all those bogus regional labels, they finally realised that record company does not equal imprint/label and adding all those bogus label (country) entries has really fucked up their data
2008-03-02 06244, 2008
akiel
Tykling: I have the Crash! Boom! Bang! album from Roxette here: there you can see the EMI imprint and a copyright from 1994 EMI Svenska AB. Maybe that is a comparable situation.
2008-03-02 06228, 2008
akiel
Tykling: what LC do you have on the CD? I have LC-0542 here on Crash! B... ant that is from EMI Group not EMI Sweden.
EMI also used the same label/logo/imprint worldwide. I think all EMI music/record labels should be merged into one entry
2008-03-02 06206, 2008
akiel
mudcrow: ok lets start :-)
2008-03-02 06246, 2008
mudcrow
all these regional offices has already caused releases to be entered under the wrong regional office. look at EMI argentina
2008-03-02 06234, 2008
akiel
Tykling: does your release have an entry in Discogs? I like always to link here is possible. Sovoters have a start to look around if this is all ok.
2008-03-02 06255, 2008
Tykling
no it doesn't
2008-03-02 06220, 2008
Tykling
but I added a picture of the cover in an edit note ;)
2008-03-02 06230, 2008
mudcrow
akiel, I'm not going near all those labels. I'm managed to resist the temptation to merge them as I see fit so far.
2008-03-02 06240, 2008
akiel
Tykling: unfortunately I can't vote on yours because I don't know anything about that
2008-03-02 06249, 2008
Tykling
a bit blurry though but it should do the trick :)
2008-03-02 06227, 2008
Tykling
thats fine, it'll expire sooner or later and get added anyway, not a whole lot of focus on 15 years old danish hiphop :>
2008-03-02 06257, 2008
akiel
mudcrow: I don't plan such a merge either. I'm releatively new here and I have already some pending controversely things.
2008-03-02 06234, 2008
akiel
Right now I asking myself if I'm legally allowed to place scans of a booklet/sleeve/cover online.
2008-03-02 06249, 2008
srotta
mudcrow: I'm adding release events to pretty much only Finnish releases. I know their label, release years etc. but I have no idea how to handle foreign releases I have.
2008-03-02 06204, 2008
mudcrow
srotta, same way as Finnish. look at the logo, the logo is usually the label/imprint/brand.
2008-03-02 06246, 2008
srotta
mudcrow: Yeah, but where do I add the label?
2008-03-02 06250, 2008
srotta
When was it released, and where?
2008-03-02 06200, 2008
akiel
Fresco: I the US there is a fair use doctrine. But I'm in Germany here and a inside of a booklet shouln't even count as fair use. So I don't think I can upload a scan of the booklet.
2008-03-02 06246, 2008
mudcrow
i'm not sure i understand what you mean srotta
2008-03-02 06258, 2008
srotta
This becomes more pronounced with second hand releases, but the record companies don't usually celebrate the release in Finland by announcing the exact date.
2008-03-02 06252, 2008
mudcrow
you dont need an exact date, just the year is good enough.
2008-03-02 06227, 2008
srotta
I guess it's partly me being pedantic and partly the difference in views when you're in some bigger market.
2008-03-02 06245, 2008
srotta
We don't have release dates, albums come here when someone has time to ship us a box.
2008-03-02 06248, 2008
srotta
8)
2008-03-02 06251, 2008
Tykling
is there a special barcode I can use when there is no barcode on the cover ?
2008-03-02 06204, 2008
Tykling
so people won't think it is missing from the release
2008-03-02 06221, 2008
akiel
Tykling: you can leave the barcode blank
2008-03-02 06245, 2008
srotta
So I don't like adding a separate release event for Finland, when the release is usually the same as in UK, Germany or Nordic countries.
2008-03-02 06246, 2008
akiel
Tykling: ah ok - I don't know
2008-03-02 06211, 2008
mudcrow
srotta if they are shipped in then they probably dont count as a Finnish release, just distribution in Finland
2008-03-02 06213, 2008
Tykling
yes I know, but instead of leaving the label blank in case of selv-finances releases, you can use the special purpuse label "[No label]" - was just wondering if we had a similar thing for barcodes
2008-03-02 06221, 2008
srotta
mudcrow: Exactly.
2008-03-02 06235, 2008
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2008-03-02 06236, 2008
akiel
srotta: does the finish release have another barcode or such?
2008-03-02 06247, 2008
srotta
akiel: Typically no.
2008-03-02 06227, 2008
Freso
Tykling: There isn't.
2008-03-02 06244, 2008
srotta
But that's exactly the point - if I have a release, and there are a dozen release events already in MB with no label/barcode/etc information, I don't think it makes sense to add another one for Finland, but I wouldn't know where to add the label info either.
2008-03-02 06249, 2008
juhae
Some releases are completely legit and don't have barcodes at all...
2008-03-02 06207, 2008
Tykling
ok Freso thank you
2008-03-02 06216, 2008
mudcrow
I think about 80% of my collection have no barcodes.
2008-03-02 06225, 2008
juhae
mudcrow, Same here
2008-03-02 06235, 2008
akiel
srotta: but why do you have a separate label than if its only an import?
2008-03-02 06246, 2008
mudcrow
you have to pay for registration of a barcode, a lot of companies dont want the expence
2008-03-02 06242, 2008
juhae
And if the records aren't mostly sold in big stores who utilize the barcodes, there's not much of point in getting one
2008-03-02 06254, 2008
mudcrow
and a lot of large stores use their own barcodes anyway. many a (un)happy hour have I spent sticking some stupid stores barcodes on products we distributed
2008-03-02 06229, 2008
mudcrow
anyway, unless a release has a unique cat number for Finland, they should be considered releases from the country they originated. just distributed/imported to Finland which in itself is not a release event
2008-03-02 06200, 2008
srotta
Yeah. That's why I don't add the events :P
2008-03-02 06230, 2008
akiel
srotta: but than I don't get your point abut adding a label - if there is no separate label than what?
2008-03-02 06223, 2008
srotta
akiel: Lot of releases in db don't have label information. I can't add that, because even if I have the release, I don't know where to put it.
2008-03-02 06257, 2008
akiel
Does someone knows more about the covers at Discogs? After reading: http://www.discogs.com/help/submission-guidelines… they say: "Copyrighted or illegal images will be deleted on sight, and the user held accountable for their inclusion." But nearly all covers at Discogs are copyrighted!
2008-03-02 06204, 2008
luks
not that hard to check which country is the label from
2008-03-02 06234, 2008
mudcrow
akiel: that relates to images of artists. You can use publicity photos but not copyrighted images. So you cant scan a magazine image and post that
2008-03-02 06251, 2008
luks
or just add it as [unknown country], if you add cat# and barcode, people will quickly fix the country
2008-03-02 06229, 2008
akiel
srotta: ah ok you like to add the label to existion release events and don't know the country. How to get the country is also not very clear to me.
2008-03-02 06245, 2008
mudcrow
and you cant steal watermarked images of covers and use them
2008-03-02 06210, 2008
akiel
mudcrow: ok than I need to find Discogs words about the cover arts
2008-03-02 06222, 2008
srotta
luks: If the label is EMI, where was the album released?
2008-03-02 06242, 2008
akiel
worldwide?
2008-03-02 06242, 2008
luks
usually UK
2008-03-02 06210, 2008
luks
but as I said, if you don't know, at least add the cat# and barcode
2008-03-02 06227, 2008
mudcrow
coverart should be focused, cropped to removed anything that isnt the cover (for photos), must be readable, must be correctly orientated, no excessive flash or colour cast, max size is 600x600
2008-03-02 06203, 2008
srotta
If it was in UK, we wouldn't have 60 EMI-related labels.
2008-03-02 06225, 2008
akiel
mudcrow: yes I read this. But the covers and booklet of CDs fall under copyright usually
2008-03-02 06225, 2008
luks
srotta: if it says just EMI, it's very likely it's from the UK
2008-03-02 06235, 2008
luks
otherwise it says EMI Music France, etc.
2008-03-02 06244, 2008
akiel
mudcrow: how is it possible that they are published on Discogs?
2008-03-02 06258, 2008
luks
and it's not that hard to guess where were CDs by EMI Music France released
2008-03-02 06259, 2008
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2008-03-02 06225, 2008
mudcrow
you can scan every page of a booklet for discogs.
2008-03-02 06252, 2008
akiel
mudcrow: but why?
2008-03-02 06245, 2008
akiel
mudcrow: on wikipedia they refer to fair use to be able to show a low resolution version of the front cover at least. And on Discogs you get the whole booklet at high resultion.
2008-03-02 06202, 2008
mudcrow
akiel: because discogs has never been sued for using them
mudcrow: oh thats legally save :-) I have fair what happens to me if _I_ upload a booklet to Discogs. Since in germany we even don't have fair use.
2008-03-02 06222, 2008
mudcrow
well discogs claim that the data and images belong to discogs. And I doubt any lawyer will be knocking on your door over a few scans of a CD cover
2008-03-02 06247, 2008
mudcrow
< has uploaded 100's of images
2008-03-02 06216, 2008
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2008-03-02 06224, 2008
akiel
ok I'll think about it
2008-03-02 06254, 2008
akiel
so for now I have to leave - bye
2008-03-02 06200, 2008
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2008-03-02 06259, 2008
mudcrow
but bear in mind that any edit you make at discogs will probably not get voted on for months/years. And no-one seems to know exactly what all the changed proposals to go live on 4th of March are and what effects on the queue they will bring about,
2008-03-02 06252, 2008
mudcrow
and a large amount of their long-term mods have quit, gone on strike or are up in arms over cencorship and forced changes
2008-03-02 06212, 2008
mudcrow
not a happy camp at discogs
2008-03-02 06253, 2008
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MClemo
not a happy democracy like in here
2008-03-02 06257, 2008
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2008-03-02 06230, 2008
mudcrow
nope, they removed as moderators some long term mods for daring to question and disagree with the management team, they actively now delete posts from the forums that disagree with them, ignore the majority of questions.
2008-03-02 06226, 2008
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2008-03-02 06238, 2008
nikki doesn't like discogs simply because they fuck up german titles
2008-03-02 06214, 2008
mudcrow
they fuck up all titles.
2008-03-02 06236, 2008
nikki
it bothers me more for german :)
2008-03-02 06203, 2008
mudcrow
and ignore the constant complaints of non english users about the titles being fucked up
2008-03-02 06257, 2008
juhae
well, german at least does capitalize some words
2008-03-02 06208, 2008
juhae
instead of just capitalizing the first letter and names in a sentence
2008-03-02 06209, 2008
nikki
yes, but it doesn't capitalise others
2008-03-02 06227, 2008
nikki
Essen and essen are different words :/
2008-03-02 06248, 2008
MClemo
Alles Großgeschrieben Ist Definitiv Falsch Und Sieht Furchtbar Aus
2008-03-02 06256, 2008
juhae
i know
2008-03-02 06256, 2008
mudcrow
the latest suggestion from the discogs manager Nik was to no longer insist entries had a tracklisting, obviously a good way of building a release database
2008-03-02 06238, 2008
nikki
MClemo: unless you're an english-only speaking discogs person who hates everyone else's opinion ;)
2008-03-02 06238, 2008
dsp has quit
2008-03-02 06239, 2008
dsp_
dsp_ is now known as dsp
2008-03-02 06241, 2008
MClemo
nikki: other ignorant people like on laut.de (they do review of albums) do that too ;)
2008-03-02 06255, 2008
MClemo
they seem to think that's the proper style for titles
2008-03-02 06259, 2008
MClemo
it isn't even for english
2008-03-02 06216, 2008
nikki
imo english is debatable
2008-03-02 06253, 2008
nikki
but a lot of languages know exactly what to use for titles
2008-03-02 06200, 2008
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2008-03-02 06211, 2008
MClemo
it is clear for german imo. They just do it wrong :)
