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      • CatCat
        så vilel jeg liskt å gjøre mer research så jeg kunne finne et bedre familietre på hvordan instrumentene utviklet seg
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      • Freso
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      • Freso
        CatCat: Ja.
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      • Freso
        CatCat: What does those "childnumbers" (e.g, "1") mean?
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      • CatCat
        for dét, er det eneste måten det treét kan fungere, den eneste andre måten vile være et alfabetisk under deres fysiske discription, eg "mebraphones" etc
      • 2008-03-02 06236, 2008

      • CatCat
        i vilken orden de er i
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      • CatCat
        det er 0 1 2 3 etc
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      • Freso
        Ah.
      • 2008-03-02 06252, 2008

      • CatCat
        så den med 3 sorterer under en med 2
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      • Freso
        Ja.
      • 2008-03-02 06234, 2008

      • CatCat
        jeg trenger familietre for asiatiske instrumenter også
      • 2008-03-02 06228, 2008

      • CatCat
        det er lit interesangt, for om man går runt og finner de tyrkiske, finner man ut at våres "europeiske" "classisc" instruemnter som fiolin og piano etc, vanligvis stammer fra tyrkisne og babylonske greier
      • 2008-03-02 06231, 2008

      • CatCat
        og greske
      • 2008-03-02 06205, 2008

      • CatCat
        så de instrumentene burde egentlig være foreldre, ikke child
      • 2008-03-02 06221, 2008

      • CatCat
        men jeg vet ikke om det er å gå to far med den listen
      • 2008-03-02 06202, 2008

      • CatCat
        det er litt tempting å gå for langt i dewn genealogien, det treét skal først og fremst være userfreiendly
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      • CatCat
        men userfreindly både for brukerne og de som editer den
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      • Freso
        CatCat: Personligt ville jeg foretrække at instrumenterne blev klassificeret efter funktion/type, fremfor "genealogi".
      • 2008-03-02 06245, 2008

      • CatCat
        og l18n or whatever..
      • 2008-03-02 06248, 2008

      • CatCat
        virkelig
      • 2008-03-02 06236, 2008

      • CatCat
        yepp. men da blir problemet at vis man begynner og grave der, så finner man ut at mange, mange isntruemnt kan finnes i flere kategorier
      • 2008-03-02 06238, 2008

      • Freso
        CatCat: Ja. Jeg har ikke brug for, som bruger, at vide at et givent instrument er en efterkommer af et andet, men derimod om det er slagtøj eller eller strenginstrument. (Groft set.)
      • 2008-03-02 06249, 2008

      • CatCat
        og noen instrument passer ikke in der hvor man skulle vente, eg
      • 2008-03-02 06257, 2008

      • Freso
        Ja.
      • 2008-03-02 06227, 2008

      • CatCat
        derfor har geh lagt, blåse isntrument, strenge, og persussion fra værandre
      • 2008-03-02 06237, 2008

      • CatCat
        og sånn skal det bli
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      • Freso
        Det er også lettere at finde en instrument på udseende/lyd ved at slå op efter klassificering/funktion, fremfor hvilke instrumenter der kom før.
      • 2008-03-02 06244, 2008

      • CatCat
        uh være
      • 2008-03-02 06247, 2008

      • Freso
        Ja. :)
      • 2008-03-02 06254, 2008

      • CatCat
        mm..
      • 2008-03-02 06258, 2008

      • Freso
        Sånn skal det bli og sånn skal det være.
      • 2008-03-02 06203, 2008

      • CatCat nods
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      • CatCat
        "Bansuri (Bansuri (or बांसुरी) is a transverse alto flute, " <-- problemer
      • 2008-03-02 06239, 2008

      • CatCat
        en indier wlle selvsagt prøve og finne det under बांसुरी
      • 2008-03-02 06212, 2008

      • Freso
        Ja?
      • 2008-03-02 06220, 2008

      • CatCat
        og det følest GALT å bruke Willow flute istedet for seljefløyte
      • 2008-03-02 06232, 2008

      • CatCat
        men det har jeg, fordi det er på englesk
      • 2008-03-02 06256, 2008

      • Freso
        CatCat: Ooh. I hadn't even seen that.
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      • Freso check SubOptimals
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      • CatCat
        noe med hardingfele også
      • 2008-03-02 06215, 2008

      • CatCat
        men Langeleik er der
      • 2008-03-02 06235, 2008

      • CatCat
        (vet ikke åssen det ser ut engang)
      • 2008-03-02 06247, 2008

      • Freso
        CatCat: Ja, men det er Brian der ikke kan læse instrumentlisten. Hardingfelen har været i listen i mindst lige så lang tid jeg har været på MB.
      • 2008-03-02 06203, 2008

      • CatCat
        ugh, nå går alarmen, jeg må ut på kjøkkenet igjen, lager middag med fisk og fersken pai til desert :3
      • 2008-03-02 06258, 2008

      • CatCat
        jeg vet det, jeg får ofte request til å legge til instrument some allerede /er/ der
      • 2008-03-02 06211, 2008

      • CatCat
        folk gidder ikke å søke
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      • CatCat
        hnf...
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      • Freso
        CatCat: Ja.
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      • CatCat
        tror jeg må restarte. seiiin maskin er seeeeiiiiin
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      • Freso
        Tykling: Alright! The merge will go through in about 40 minutes.
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      • creature
        BrianFreudf: You're the 'driving force' behind the Mozart style guide, right?
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      • Tykling
        great
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      • creature
        http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/CSGStandard/Mozart?hi… (Warning: huge page!) if I'm adding this to MB, is this English/Latin or Italian/Latin?
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      • Freso
        creature: Adding what?
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      • Freso
        Oh.
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      • creature
        Freso: Le Nozze di Figaro.
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      • Freso
        creature: Well, without being much of a CSG versed fella, I'd say Italian.
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      • MClemo
        isn't it already entered?
      • 2008-03-02 06236, 2008

      • creature
        If you know the work, I have further questions. Such as: how should I add the Sinfonia ("Le nozze di Figaro, K. 492: Sinfonia"?), and my liner notes give the first act as a Duettino but the CSG gives it as a Duetto.
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      • creature
        MClemo: Not this particular recording, no.
      • 2008-03-02 06208, 2008

      • Freso
        Tykling: Vi/du/jeg burde spørge om DHHU ikke havde lyst til at samarbejde med dig/mig/os/MusicBrainz, på en eller anden måde.
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      • MClemo
        creature: what has the recording to do with it? The wiki is about the works
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      • Tykling
        ja Freso jeg tænkte det samme, han har lavet et stort arbejde og vi kunne lige så godt beruge hinanden
      • 2008-03-02 06258, 2008

      • creature
        MClemo: I am adding a recording/release to MB, using the track names listed in the Mozart style guide.
      • 2008-03-02 06245, 2008

      • Freso
        Tykling: Ja. I mindste fald at vi kunne få lov til at henvise til MB-posterne.
      • 2008-03-02 06234, 2008

      • MClemo
        creature: yeah, so just copy and paste. But I ran into problems with that recently: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8412312
      • 2008-03-02 06234, 2008

      • creature
        This whole C&P from the wiki makes me uneasy.
      • 2008-03-02 06249, 2008

      • mikemorr
        creature: for the Duetto/Duettino, I would say use what your recording says. There may be different versions of that movement, or the CSGS list might be incorrect in that detail.
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      • creature
        If the wiki changes then many different releases would have to be updated.
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      • MClemo
        creature: a lot of thought has gone into those lists so the entries there are probably better than the ones you can come up with
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      • creature
        MClemo: No doubt, but that's not what I was referring to.
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      • srotta
        That's assuming you accept the whole idea ;)
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      • mikemorr
        Right now on the mb-style mailing list we're talking about changing how we deal with classical track titles anyway. So rather than copy/paste, each track will have an AR to an entry on the works list (if this proposal goes through)
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      • MClemo
        should be discussed on the mailinglist in this thread probably
      • 2008-03-02 06209, 2008

      • creature
        MClemo: So are you saying that in cases of disagreement between booklet and wiki, I should trust the wiki?
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      • mikemorr
        creature: I say go with the booklet. Example: http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/CSGStandard/Mozart#Ho…
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      • MClemo
        creature: like mikemorr said... too much stuff around going on at the moment. So I can't say what's the best course of action right now
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      • creature headdesks.
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      • MClemo
        entering the release according to current CSG wouldn't be false
      • 2008-03-02 06227, 2008

      • cooperaa
        creature: what issue are you having?
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      • MClemo
        maybe skip the stupid part like adding the performers to track names
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      • srotta
        I'm just thankful I don't do classical music.
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      • srotta
        My eyes bleed every time I see those track titles.
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      • MClemo
        hehe
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      • creature
        cooperaa: I have a release of Le Nozze di Figaro that I'm adding. The listing in the booklet doesn't match up with the CSG wiki.
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      • cooperaa
        what doesn't match?
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      • MClemo
        it would be a real suprise if it would match anyway :)
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      • MClemo
        I'd go with the wiki and when there are multiple wiki entries to be mapped on one track handle it like leivhe said in that edit note
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      • creature
        Actually, they're tremendously consistent apart from that one thing.
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      • creature
        Disc 1 is identical except for the duettino/duetto issue.
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      • creature decides to trust booklet and mention it in edit notes.
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      • mikemorr
        creature: I agree
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      • creature
        http://musicbrainz.org/release/27b303c7-c0ab-48ce… is the release if you're interested.
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      • mikemorr
        We may discover we need to update the wiki. That's what happened with the horn concerto I linked above: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=8161102
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      • MClemo
        ah, I didn't realize your only concern was about the duettino/duetto thing. Sure, the wiki can be wrong
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      • creature
        Interesting.
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      • creature
        The booklet lists this is a Recitativo but the wiki gives it as a duettino.
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      • lauri
        boo
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      • lauri
        did you like my cover scans Brian?
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      • mikemorr
        rofl @ "wool advertising"
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      • lauri
        I would just like to point out, I do not, in fact, own any of those albums
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      • lauri
        but if i did, i'd get that last one, cos it's officially the only classical album you'll ever need :)
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      • mikemorr
        also "DJ Somebody vs. DJ Someone Else" etc. etc... so true
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      • lauri
        i still don't understand the 'presents' rules (and half the time, it's the same artist on both sides, it's one artist using one performance name to get their other performance name noticed by club or radio DJ's)
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      • lauri
        but not always... if you don't know for sure, there's absolutely no way to guess
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      • lauri
        and is anyone having issues with the wiki, or is it just me
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      • lauri
        and if you're not, could you please add a note on the instrument addition discussion page for me :)
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      • mikemorr
        Well it looks like I'm able to edit the page; dunno if the changes will save OK
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      • lauri
        i can edit it, but not save
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      • lauri
        even a preview makes it die, i get dropped connection
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      • mikemorr
        Hm. Want me to try adding a note?
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      • lauri
        but if you could add under dancing, there's a band called 'Tilly and the Wall' who make a feature out of having a tap dancer instead of a drummer (both live and on recordings)
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      • lauri
        they're reasonably well known, hooked up with bright eyes and all that indie pop crowd, and at least 3 albums
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      • petros
        Sounds like a shortlived schtick. They are probly gonna "sell out" and use a drummer pretty soon.
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      • lauri
        i'd have said that, but after 3 whole albums, and the tap dancer marrying the singer
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      • lauri
        maybe not
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      • petros
        Amazing what some people will do to stay in a band.
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      • lauri
        lol
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      • BrianFreudf
        and yeah, lauri, lol, till I threw it out, I had one old RCA Victor tape like that
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      • lauri
        they're actually really cute (and i'm not much of an indie hipster chick :)
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      • BrianFreudf
        I think it even mentioned the same Wool thing - half it's "famous for"s were commercials from the 40's
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      • creature
        BrianFreudf: Can we talk Mozart?
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      • petros hates "cute" in music ;)
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      • BrianFreudf
        sure, saw your duetto thing
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      • BrianFreudf
        which work/movement?
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      • creature
        That and a bunch of other stuff.
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      • petros
        Pat Boone was "cute"
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      • lauri
        also, they were slightly infamous for stealing road signs (she taps on sheet metal signs, to get a neat sound)
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      • FauxFaux
        petros: Excluding 12 year old vocalists, right?