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lauri
so you really need to show all three
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RaiseHell
hi. I've a quick question: I created two new artists, one being a person, the other one being a group. I want to create a relationship where the person founded the group, but I can't seem to find the location where to do that
2008-03-02 06241, 2008
20:57 PM
Freso
RaiseHell: There isn't one. Add it in the annotation.
2008-03-02 06249, 2008
20:57 PM
RaiseHell
oh, ok, thanks very much
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20:58 PM
yllona
isn't there a founded by AR?
2008-03-02 06230, 2008
21:00 PM
lauri
only for labels i think
2008-03-02 06238, 2008
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luks_
luks_ is now known as luks
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RaiseHell
yep, I've used it for a label yesterday
2008-03-02 06226, 2008
21:01 PM
RaiseHell
that's why I was sure there's the same possibility to relate a person as a founder to a group
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21:01 PM
lauri
i normally just use the 'is a member of' and don't set the start date
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21:01 PM
RaiseHell
ah, ok, that's another possiblity, thanks
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21:02 PM
lauri
which doesn't leave it clear between "I don't know the start date" and "was a founder member", but hopefully implies the latter
2008-03-02 06212, 2008
21:02 PM
RaiseHell
I'll use both an annotation and the "member of ..."
2008-03-02 06220, 2008
21:02 PM
lauri
and annotations are never bad
2008-03-02 06228, 2008
21:02 PM
RaiseHell
right, thanks :-)
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lauri
yo brian
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21:06 PM
lauri
or any other classical editors
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lauri
oh look, i broke him
2008-03-02 06248, 2008
21:06 PM
lauri
brian, you feel like a wee job?
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BrianFreudf
whatcha need lauri?
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21:18 PM
lauri
oh you are gonna love it
2008-03-02 06210, 2008
21:18 PM
lauri
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21:18 PM
lauri
could you at least help me figure out what the heck it's called?
2008-03-02 06226, 2008
21:19 PM
BrianFreudf
ooh, pretty
2008-03-02 06211, 2008
21:20 PM
BrianFreudf
I don't know the particular work - Beethoven's Fideleo I assume?
2008-03-02 06222, 2008
21:20 PM
lauri
well, i think that's the intention
2008-03-02 06234, 2008
21:20 PM
yllona
it's fidelio
2008-03-02 06235, 2008
21:20 PM
lauri
also, i presume there is a disc 2 or more floating around, but i didn't find it yet
2008-03-02 06242, 2008
21:20 PM
lauri
lord only knows what artist that one's under
2008-03-02 06210, 2008
21:21 PM
yllona
cristoph von dohnanyi conducting
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21:21 PM
yllona
wiener philharmonic,
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21:21 PM
BrianFreudf
Fideleo (feat. Wiener Philharmoniker, conductor: Christoph von Dohnányi) (disc 2)
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21:21 PM
BrianFreudf
oops, disc 1
2008-03-02 06200, 2008
21:22 PM
yllona
\
2008-03-02 06219, 2008
21:22 PM
lauri
ahh, that's what i was after (and move it all to beethoven, right?)
2008-03-02 06227, 2008
21:22 PM
lauri
if it isn't a dupe, which it might be
2008-03-02 06239, 2008
21:22 PM
BrianFreudf
yep
2008-03-02 06256, 2008
21:22 PM
BrianFreudf
do you have the recording lauri, or just cleaning it up?
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21:23 PM
lauri
no, i just spotted the bogus artist entry and took a peep
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21:23 PM
BrianFreudf
ahh. if you have times for cd 2, faux's search might help you find it
2008-03-02 06231, 2008
21:23 PM
lauri
and then after my eyes stop bleeding, i thought i'd ask for help
2008-03-02 06233, 2008
21:23 PM
BrianFreudf
lol
2008-03-02 06246, 2008
21:23 PM
yllona
i think theat recording was two opera in a set
2008-03-02 06211, 2008
21:24 PM
lauri
so the other disc might be a completely different opera, with a completely different bogus artist? oh neat
2008-03-02 06213, 2008
21:24 PM
BrianFreudf
yeah, running similar searches based on picard lookups myself, trying to find misplaced Philips Mozart box releases
2008-03-02 06244, 2008
21:24 PM
lauri
i was actually looking for "CD 2" of something else heh, and found this instead
2008-03-02 06204, 2008
21:25 PM
yllona
2008-03-02 06257, 2008
21:25 PM
lauri
well that's interesting, amazon 404's on that link
2008-03-02 06210, 2008
21:26 PM
yllona
my bad
2008-03-02 06213, 2008
21:26 PM
yllona
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21:26 PM
lauri
basically the entire internet is hating on me today
2008-03-02 06233, 2008
21:26 PM
lauri
the wiki wouldn't let me edt it either :)
2008-03-02 06239, 2008
21:26 PM
BrianFreudf spots this one and sighs... http://musicbrainz.org/album/54c30714-c58c-4ada-b83c-cfceb3e9dc77.html?tport=8000
2008-03-02 06257, 2008
21:26 PM
lauri
ooooohkay, what the heck do i call that then, since i now can't call it fidelio
2008-03-02 06214, 2008
21:27 PM
lauri
how about i make the artist beethoven, put the asin, and hope someone who actually has it finds it?
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21:27 PM
yllona
i'd call it Fidelio / Lenore
2008-03-02 06240, 2008
21:27 PM
yllona
it is a box set
2008-03-02 06203, 2008
21:28 PM
lauri
a 4 disc one... yow
2008-03-02 06209, 2008
21:28 PM
BrianFreudf
Lenore / Fideleo (feat. Wiener Philharmoniker, conductor: Christoph von Dohnányi) (disc 1: Fideleo)
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21:28 PM
lauri
thank you :)
2008-03-02 06245, 2008
21:28 PM
BrianFreudf
(though I misspelled Leonore)
2008-03-02 06210, 2008
21:29 PM
BrianFreudf
ah... one other thing I notice lauri
2008-03-02 06223, 2008
21:29 PM
lauri
hmm?
2008-03-02 06233, 2008
21:29 PM
BrianFreudf
It's a Brilliant Classics release - it's quite likely part of the BC Beethoven box cooperaa
2008-03-02 06236, 2008
21:29 PM
BrianFreudf
is entering
2008-03-02 06200, 2008
21:30 PM
BrianFreudf
they like to re-release each bit like this after they release the uber-boxes
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21:30 PM
lauri
oh well, hopefully he'll spot it then, it's still in the queue
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21:30 PM
cooperaa
hm?
2008-03-02 06233, 2008
21:30 PM
lauri
it's got trm's (even though it's new!) so it may be worth merging
2008-03-02 06238, 2008
21:30 PM
lauri
and there he is
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lauri
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21:31 PM
cooperaa
*sigh*
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21:31 PM
cooperaa
Rockquiem?
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21:31 PM
lauri
hey, check the edit history before you sigh heh
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21:32 PM
lauri
this is the vastly improved by yllona and brian version
2008-03-02 06205, 2008
21:32 PM
BrianFreudf
2008-03-02 06213, 2008
21:32 PM
cooperaa
okay good, I thought you were going to say I added it in my MB infancy
2008-03-02 06220, 2008
21:32 PM
BrianFreudf
oh, lol, same release :P
2008-03-02 06240, 2008
21:32 PM
BrianFreudf
no, but the one she found is prob part of the BC Beethoven box
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21:32 PM
lauri
ahah, no, it's a new addition, but it may be a dupe of stuff you're working on already
2008-03-02 06203, 2008
21:33 PM
cooperaa
I've actually tried to save that stuff for last (worst for last)
2008-03-02 06214, 2008
21:33 PM
BrianFreudf
lol, sounds like me with the Philips operas
2008-03-02 06217, 2008
21:33 PM
cooperaa
because I don't have much experience with them and the overtures always mess me up
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21:33 PM
cooperaa
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21:33 PM
lauri
oh i doubt you could have messed this one up worse, even if you added 'made famous by wool advertising'
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21:34 PM
cooperaa
and there's a whole story behind Fidelio... originally title Leonore and renamed and revised and multiple versions :(
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21:34 PM
cooperaa
lol
2008-03-02 06220, 2008
21:34 PM
BrianFreudf
lol, then this gets better, since the 4 CDs include both Leonore and Fideleo :P
2008-03-02 06228, 2008
21:34 PM
lauri
well, that explains the 4 disc set, and the weird naming
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21:34 PM
cooperaa
:P
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21:34 PM
lauri
now i forgot what i was searching for when i found that in the first place heh
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21:35 PM
cooperaa
that is an amazing release title though: "; Ruth Ziesak; Uwe Heilmann; Wiener Philharmoniker; Christoph von Dohnányi / Ludwig van Beethoven -- Fideleo -- (CD 1)"
2008-03-02 06211, 2008
21:35 PM
yllona
but both are performed independently at this stage they are considered two separate operas
2008-03-02 06215, 2008
21:35 PM
lauri
oh especially in combo with the artist it was filed under :)
2008-03-02 06222, 2008
21:35 PM
BrianFreudf
looks like the ".../Requiem" title I found a little while ago today
2008-03-02 06224, 2008
21:35 PM
cooperaa
hahahaa
2008-03-02 06244, 2008
21:35 PM
lauri
and as i said... it implies there's 3 other discs of it floating around (who adds trm's for one disc of a box set?)
2008-03-02 06249, 2008
21:35 PM
cooperaa
someone filed a release under "Beethoven (complete)" the other day... I put in a merge.. please go vote yes on it ;)
2008-03-02 06257, 2008
21:36 PM
lauri
looks like it already went through
2008-03-02 06203, 2008
21:37 PM
cooperaa
k good
2008-03-02 06215, 2008
21:37 PM
cooperaa
back to studying for me... I'll keep that release open
2008-03-02 06228, 2008
21:37 PM
cooperaa
will do
2008-03-02 06233, 2008
21:37 PM
cooperaa
later
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21:37 PM
lauri
heh
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21:37 PM
lauri
it's all yours now, i have done all the damage i can
2008-03-02 06248, 2008
21:39 PM
BrianFreudf
2008-03-02 06214, 2008
21:40 PM
BrianFreudf
all Beethoven cooperaas
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BrianG
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21:56 PM
yllona
BrianG: done
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21:56 PM
BrianG
thank you!
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outsidecontext
anybody some experience with japanese releases?
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lauri__
depends on the question outsidecontext
2008-03-02 06201, 2008
22:10 PM
lauri__
but i do have a teenage daughter with an anime obsession :)
2008-03-02 06216, 2008
22:10 PM
outsidecontext
:)
2008-03-02 06219, 2008
22:10 PM
outsidecontext
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22:10 PM
outsidecontext
is " ※JANコード：45 71139 01013 1" the barcode?
2008-03-02 06241, 2008
22:10 PM
lauri__
and she conveniently just arrived home too!
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outsidecontext
oh, that question was probably to heavy
2008-03-02 06228, 2008
22:11 PM
lauri__
easiest way to tell that is plug it into the ean database lookup heh
2008-03-02 06246, 2008
22:11 PM
luks
the release editor will tell you if it isn't
2008-03-02 06248, 2008
22:11 PM
warp
outsidecontext: JAN is the equivalent of EAN and er.. UPC?
2008-03-02 06253, 2008
22:11 PM
lauri__
2008-03-02 06257, 2008
22:11 PM
luks
but yes, JANs are compatible with EANs
2008-03-02 06201, 2008
22:12 PM
warp
outsidecontext: so, yes.
2008-03-02 06203, 2008
22:12 PM
lauri__
it usually works on all kinds
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22:12 PM
outsidecontext
lauri: MB did accept it
2008-03-02 06210, 2008
22:12 PM
lauri__
there's another one, but i don't seem to have it bookmarked
2008-03-02 06213, 2008
22:12 PM
outsidecontext
warp: thanks
2008-03-02 06230, 2008
22:12 PM
warp back from .de
2008-03-02 06233, 2008
22:12 PM
lauri__
and i'm still sorta stunned by that cover
2008-03-02 06238, 2008
22:12 PM
lauri__
it's wrong in so very many ways :)
2008-03-02 06247, 2008
22:12 PM
lauri__
photo, whatever heh
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22:12 PM
outsidecontext
lauri: which cover
