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interesting - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/717653...

it would effectively give Brits the same rights as Merkins

with regard to ripping CD's

uh

its illegal (i mean really illegal, not ju8st iffy) to rip your own cd's?

Owners would not be allowed to sell or give away their original discs once they had made a copy. <-- thats rediculus

at the moment, yes

hmm

wel its a start i suppose, that they are thinking about letting peopel be legal XD

who is merkins?

americans

heh

it's slang

they are already allowed to rip their own CD's

i dont know if it is illegal or not here

i dont think they care at all

i mean, who is going to know/botherto stop it

are they allowed to listen to them? :)

LOL

over here it is even legal to make copies for your friends :)

not in the CAR

here you can make copies only for yourself

MBChatLogger: off

is not logging

is logging

it asumes you'll be late with delivering it before you've even rented it

if you pay, you might as well keep the darned thing :p

why can't a library charge for you checking out a book/cd/whatever?

or you know, buy it

uh becasue its a *library*?

:p

it defeats its purpouse

yes, but they have costs too. what's wrong with charging a few cents to cover the administrative costs?

knowledge is supposed to be public and for all, not for the financially privileged

but hey, if our library had a donatino thing going on id defintiyl doante

ding juhae !

that remibnds me, i need to rent soem book about hmm.. something >D

you're paying for it one way or another anyway

you're on crack

in taxation, yes

:)

but everyone is paying equally and according to their incomes

crack tax

given money to buy crack?

taxing crack to buy library dvds

ah

juhae: so you're saying it's better people have to pay for something they never use, and you only pay part because they pay the rest?

CatCat: but if I don't take it back, they'll fine me, and if I don't pay that, they'll take me to court

nikki: did you ever get tv licensing to give up chasing you?

LotR, if only the part who use library as much as i do would pay, we'd probably end up paying more that way

so being as poor as i am, yes

only when I left the flat I was in ;)

but that enables anyone to go into a library and get a book, and hopefully learn a thing or two

juhae: if they just charge for checking out, then you can still go in a library and read the book there...

I just don't see how renting a book being free but renting an audiobook version of the same thing costing 85p makes sense

juhae: I see your point, but getting all religious about it seems a bit excessive

nikki: they might be required to charge for that by the publisher of the audiobook..

it applies for anything audio though

if it's text, free, audio, 85p each

probably because all the publishers agreed on that, since they fear copying so much

and I don't think the charge would apply to all people. I suspect poor sighted / blind people would get it free

yeah, if you're registered blind, you're exempt

£2.50 for a dvd...

hmm. here it says spoken word is £2

back later

<LotR> over here it is even legal to make copies for your friends :)

that's not true.

(assuming with 'over here' you mean the netherlands).

AFAIK it is. you pay extra for blank media just so you can make copies.

oh right. you have to lend your friend the CD, and then he can make the copy legally

no wait, see the section 'Opdracht geven tot verveelvoudiging'

heh, ok. not for audio/video

yep

the nice thing though, is that when YOU are making a 'thuiskopie', the source material doesn't have to be an original and/or legal copy.

it's same as here then

so, all the mp3s and flacs on may harddisk are legal. i'm only engaging in illegal activity if i put them on a webpage on share them through bittorrent/limewire/etc...

s/may/my/

you can for example even download anything from the internet as long as long you don't know you are downloading something illegal

and not sharing it, of course

the 'as long you don't know' isn't relevant in dutch copyright law. if you're copying from an illegal source, only the person who gave you access to that source is breaking the law.

he/she is the one distributing from a private copy.

heh, aCiD2 is playing with irc clients? :)

ha, I'm falling in love with emacs (please don't kill me :P) - and messing about with the config

think i got a knife somewhere around here i can stab you with...

:P

I gave VIm enough of a chance, just didn't go with dvorak I think

and vim doesn't have an irc client, after all, does it? :)

nor minesweeper

and no web-browser....

I don't use the web browser

yet >.>

i tend to let linux be the os and not something else :p

well I hate xchat anyway, erc seems nice though

irssi?

irssi was good too

irssi and erc are the same to me - I'm not exactly a hardcore irc user

aCiD2: what?

aCiD2: i've been using vim for two years, with dvorak.

Good for you :) I didn't find it comfortable though

been broken on qwerty

i switched from emacs, where movement is ^F, ^B, ^N, ^P which didn't make much sense either ;)

At least I can remember them :)

what's vim, hjkl?

aCiD2: if you need to 'remember' cursor movement keys, you're doing it wrong :)

you have to remember them when you're learning

i dont think most norwegiasn even *know* there is anythign besides qwerty

I don't tihnk most *people* know anything but qwerty :P

qwerty was designed for typewriters to prevent the keys from stickign to much togheter

yup

but its the evil i know

anythign eszle would be.. to hard to get into

i'd keep pressign the wrong keyds and it would drive me mad

the first month of dvorak was hell, ya

dvorak doesn't make you significantly faster or anything.

i'm pretty sure someone has made a keyboard layout specifically writing norwegian too

the kitchen beckons me, see ya'll laters

it's just a tad more comfortable to me, and i make less typo's.

åæø

I'm about the same speed as I was in qwerty, and yea - way more comfortable and slightly typos

still end up typing like a 5 year old sometimes though, it seems

tata mo

rumour has it that norwegian programmers suffer less from damages using a keyboard as some of the more common keys used in coding ()[]{}<> are placed quite differently from english layouts

whether it's true i have no idea about, though

supposedly because we'll have to move our hands more :p

hmm, <> looks like quite a pinky stretch :)

canidae: moving hands more is not always a benefit.

i'm just saying there's a rumour about it :)

ok :)

i can also say i've ~never had troubles with my hands, and i'm on the computer 16 hours/day

i did get it once, but then i was coding in a highly mouse-oriented style

so it was most likely not the keyboard's fault

i have, though nothing serious.. i do pay attention to any peculiar pains in fingers/hands/wrists/etc..

it _guess_ i naturally take enough breaks and such, that i don't need workrave or similar software.

used workrave when i did get troubles with my hand, it did help

that is, i started using it