mikemorr: was it a noisy discussion? if so i would have ignored it ;)
2008-05-15 13639, 2008
mikemorr
It was somewhat high-traffic
2008-05-15 13653, 2008
mikemorr
but I think some good concepts came out of it
2008-05-15 13659, 2008
yllona
what was the gist of the argument?
2008-05-15 13628, 2008
mikemorr
Basically that we need to have a way to specify whether a release-level AR applies to all tracks without exception, applies to some tracks but we don't know which ones, or applies to the release as a whole but not the individual tracks (e.g. certain production ARs which have a different meaning at the track vs. release level)
There can still be three different meanings for a release-level AR though
2008-05-15 13628, 2008
yllona
mikemorr: thanks for that :)
2008-05-15 13622, 2008
mikemorr
In the mb-style discussion (subject: "AR Types") there were some good suggestions for how the UI would prompt the user to select the right meaning when entering a release-level AR. Radio buttons and such.
2008-05-15 13649, 2008
yllona
that would be helpful
2008-05-15 13623, 2008
yllona
it does seem that most of the "fuzzy" stuff is more immediate in the re-mix/mash-up/sample arena, tho it should more clear on releases now, since that whole expensive debacle with de las soul, a few years back
2008-05-15 13637, 2008
yllona
*de la soul
2008-05-15 13603, 2008
mikemorr
What debacle was that?
2008-05-15 13643, 2008
yllona
de la didn't credit some of their samples on one of their hit songs
2008-05-15 13603, 2008
yllona
let me see if i can dig up the info, one sec
2008-05-15 13618, 2008
mikemorr
So "fuzzy" applies to that arena in the sense that a sample might be credited on a release but the specific track is not indicated?
2008-05-15 13627, 2008
yllona
yes
2008-05-15 13637, 2008
yllona
tho hardcore fans should be able to identify them upon listening, that's supposed to be part of the "fun"
2008-05-15 13657, 2008
mikemorr
Right :)
2008-05-15 13641, 2008
yllona
i can do it with early hip-hop, not so much any more as current artists are sampling other hip-hop releases, so it's like 2nd and 3rd generation dilution
2008-05-15 13654, 2008
Amblin- has quit
2008-05-15 13658, 2008
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2008-05-15 13644, 2008
yllona
using older jazz re-issues as an example, sometimes info just wasn't written down :)
2008-05-15 13617, 2008
yllona
again, you should be able to identify by "ear" though ;)
2008-05-15 13639, 2008
mikemorr
Agreed :)
2008-05-15 13615, 2008
mikemorr
Gotta run
2008-05-15 13622, 2008
yllona
here's the de la soul thing: "With all of the acclaim came some unwanted attention, most notably in the form of a lawsuit by the Turtles. De La Soul had sampled the Turtles' "You Showed Me" and layered it with a French lesson on a track on 3 Feet High called "Transmitting Live From Mars," without getting the permission of the '60s pop group. The Turtles won the case, and the decision not only had substantial impact on De La S
2008-05-15 13638, 2008
yllona
okay, see ya! thanks for the help
2008-05-15 13612, 2008
yllona
or more on de las soul: "Following the suit, all samples had to be legally cleared before an album could be released. Not only did this have the end result of rap reverting back to instrumentation, thereby altering how the artists worked, it also meant that several albums in the pipeline had to be delayed in order for samples to clear. One of those was De La Soul's second album, De La Soul Is Dead."
2008-05-15 13630, 2008
mikemorr
thank you! cheers!
2008-05-15 13633, 2008
ijabz
mikemorr:thanks I think I was a bit concerned that artist was overloaded to be performing artist and person but I guess that will be sorted in the NGS
that way irrelevant tags would eventually totally disappear
2008-05-15 13605, 2008
warp
deadchip: how would you define 'use' ?
2008-05-15 13617, 2008
deadchip
warp, just retag something with an existing tag
2008-05-15 13625, 2008
deadchip
you can do it on LFM, don't know here
2008-05-15 13654, 2008
warp
ah, seems a bit silly. I already gave it the tag.
2008-05-15 13635, 2008
warp
i mean.. then i need to write scripts which go through my music collection to re-apply all my tags periodically :)
2008-05-15 13648, 2008
deadchip
yeah i guess
2008-05-15 13617, 2008
deadchip
so far i have no good solution for this, i don't store service-based tags permanently at all, just the ones user can given him/herself to the tracks
2008-05-15 13653, 2008
nikki grumbles because she just found two more fake pound coins in her change >(
2008-05-15 13602, 2008
warp
nikki: aw :(
2008-05-15 13611, 2008
warp
deadchip: you can query which tags are yours at musicbrainz. you could use the tags by others on a release/track/artist, and override those with your own in those cases you care.
2008-05-15 13638, 2008
deadchip
interesting i didn't know you can view which are yours
2008-05-15 13652, 2008
warp
deadchip: you can at any time delete or replace your own tags, but not those of others.
2008-05-15 13606, 2008
deadchip
heh
2008-05-15 13643, 2008
warp
i should update that example code to append by default, instead of overwriting.
2008-05-15 13653, 2008
brianfreud_
good idea
2008-05-15 13653, 2008
warp
and make it clear which are yours and which are generic when listing.
2008-05-15 13607, 2008
warp
hello mr. freud.
2008-05-15 13607, 2008
deadchip
is it a webapp or standalone?
2008-05-15 13610, 2008
deadchip
i mean yours
2008-05-15 13618, 2008
brianfreud_
hi warp :)
2008-05-15 13620, 2008
deadchip
heh basically i meant to ask how i can run it
2008-05-15 13635, 2008
warp
deadchip: just commandline scripts, written in python.
2008-05-15 13636, 2008
ijabz
thanks for the code, no luck with doumentation though, checked the obvious places in the wiki
2008-05-15 13606, 2008
warp
ijabz: i'll have a quick look to see if i can find it. i mean i must have gotten the info from somewhere :)
2008-05-15 13642, 2008
deadchip
?
2008-05-15 13651, 2008
ojnkpjg
the devel version of picard has support for using tags as genre
deadchip: the scripts I pointed at deal only with folksonomy tags.
2008-05-15 13647, 2008
deadchip
warp, what do you mean by only with folksonomy tags?
2008-05-15 13636, 2008
ijabz
warp:thanks I'll pastethis into the xmlwebservice wiki page
2008-05-15 13657, 2008
warp
deadchip: 'tags' is a bit confusing in this context. we call metadata in mp3s, oggs, flacs, etc.. tags. and we call the stuff on the website, similar to last.fm and flickr 'tags'.
the entity /tag can and should only be used to GET or POST user tags
2008-05-15 13658, 2008
ijabz
oh i see
2008-05-15 13627, 2008
Remosi
alastairp, gnrrg :)
2008-05-15 13638, 2008
Eitch joined the channel
2008-05-15 13630, 2008
Eitch
Hi, is there a CLI program (linux) to generate IDs (TRMs) from music? I want to create a script that reads TRM from a file, send to MusicBrainz and return the Artist - Track Title information :)
2008-05-15 13654, 2008
nikki
you should be using PUIDs and not TRMs.
2008-05-15 13659, 2008
FauxFaux
Eitch: TRMs are dead, use PUIDs instead, and there's still no app. :)
2008-05-15 13603, 2008
Eitch
hehe
2008-05-15 13627, 2008
nikki
there's genpuid, which is hidden away in the depths of the musicip servers
2008-05-15 13639, 2008
Eitch
I see, i tried to use a command called "puid" that comes with the library on linux but I can't get it to work tho :(
2008-05-15 13651, 2008
Eitch
hehe
2008-05-15 13650, 2008
Eitch
"$ puid -L naosei.mp3" -> "No PUID available for this track." But using a program (amarok) for trying to guess the tags from the track works fine
2008-05-15 13615, 2008
Remosi
hmm
2008-05-15 13619, 2008
FauxFaux
Some versions of amarok do still use TRMs, but that error message is obviously not helpful.
