BrianFreud: If the only argument for having an instrument is "A Discogs instrument AR we don't yet list.", please move it to /Discogs. That page is insanely huge now.
2008-05-06 12701, 2008
Freso
BrianFreud: (But good job other than that!)
2008-05-06 12718, 2008
BrianFreud
Large yes, but organized so it's actually functional - isn't the point that instruments kind of should rot there until they get the blanks filled in?
2008-05-06 12723, 2008
Freso
BrianFreud: (I had no idea you would take it on yourself to actually reformat the current requests.)
2008-05-06 12756, 2008
BrianFreud
lol, I kept all comments as is, but that one melodion one is such a mess, I left it as is :P
2008-05-06 12730, 2008
Freso
BrianFreud: Yes, but I still don't think the fact that they're on Discogs' list is enough that they need to be added ASAP - unlike those instruments that should already be used by ARs.
2008-05-06 12747, 2008
Freso
BrianFreud: But I'm removing tap dance, just a sec.
2008-05-06 12711, 2008
BrianFreud
well, the Discogs ones create a problem for the 3 or so of us who want to work on a Discogs AR importer - there's too little match between Discogs ARs and ours atm without them
2008-05-06 12743, 2008
BrianFreud
my sense is though, keep it together - if those move elsewhere, someone who needs it will just readd it here, and we'll end up with lists in 2 places, rather than a single centralized list
2008-05-06 12733, 2008
BrianFreud
(but maybe now that it's readable and the blanks can be seen, ppl will fill them in :D )
2008-05-06 12705, 2008
Freso
BrianFreud: Or perhaps people will just ignore the page now altogether due to the huge amount of stuff that isn't needed in the db as it is.
2008-05-06 12722, 2008
BrianFreud
lol, any more than people ignore it now?
2008-05-06 12715, 2008
Freso
BrianFreud: I'm quite discouraged from reading through the page right now, so I'm guessing yes.
2008-05-06 12753, 2008
Freso
BrianFreud: And mo was discouraged just by the Discogs stuff before the restructure... I don't reckon this will help in the least.
2008-05-06 12723, 2008
BrianFreud
well, honestly, not your fault or mo's, but it takes so long for anyone to move anything from the list in - see the trac tickets and the current mailing list discussion.
2008-05-06 12713, 2008
BrianFreud
But I do think the Discogs ones should eventually be added too - they are 95% of what currently blocks straight Discogs AR importing.
2008-05-06 12724, 2008
Freso
BrianFreud: That's because we don't know where to put stuff, nor whether it should actually go in at all (ie., isn't a duplicate of something else in the list).
2008-05-06 12735, 2008
Freso
BrianFreud: I'm not disagreeing with that.
2008-05-06 12746, 2008
Freso
BrianFreud: You didn't do a clean port of the discussions btw. TimVanHolden's "Sruti Box" wasn't a reply to my comment, which in fact was added after his "Sruti Box" comment.
2008-05-06 12721, 2008
BrianFreud
that's the only one I modified - "Box" became "Sruti Box" in his reply to your comment
2008-05-06 12712, 2008
BrianFreud
As for where stuff should go, most of the discogs ones have more info than most non-discogs ones, atm - If you honestly think they should be moved, move them. My sense, though, is that it was the general disorganization of the page which made it unmanagible, not the length of the reqs list (be it 50 or 142, it's still a large list of reqs)
2008-05-06 12701, 2008
Freso
I didn't have to scroll as much before as I do now.
2008-05-06 12742, 2008
BrianFreud
sure, but discussions mixed all together, and the data (or current "appears on" count for any given one) wasn't at all clear
2008-05-06 12707, 2008
BrianFreud
scroll != bad... disorder = bad, imho
2008-05-06 12744, 2008
BrianFreud
now people can actually see why any instrument isn't yet added - none have the 5 releases. So if someone really wants one added, they can find 5, fill in the info, and then pester you :)
2008-05-06 12754, 2008
Freso
Discussions weren't mixed altogether.
2008-05-06 12701, 2008
BrianFreud
back to back?
2008-05-06 12704, 2008
BrianFreud
don't know about you, but when I looked at the change logs or the emailed change alerts, it was pretty near impossible to actually comprehend any changes in the old form
2008-05-06 12738, 2008
Freso
Wasn't for me... it is hard for right now though, at a glance, to see where there's discussion and where there isn't.
2008-05-06 12735, 2008
BrianFreud
only because each instrument takes a decent amount of screen height; in any change report it'd be quite clear - this is where I wish moin had collapsible list support :P
2008-05-06 12702, 2008
FauxFaux
Oh my, this code is vile.
2008-05-06 12724, 2008
Freso
BrianFreud: I'm doing a heavy edit right now. Please keep out.
2008-05-06 12738, 2008
Freso
FauxFaux: You too. :)
2008-05-06 12723, 2008
FauxFaux
What do I have to edit?! ¬_¬
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Freso
Hey... what is USB?
2008-05-06 12722, 2008
BrianFreud
?
2008-05-06 12726, 2008
Freso
The improved version of USA!
2008-05-06 12744, 2008
juhae
*drumroll*
2008-05-06 12752, 2008
Freso
:p
2008-05-06 12704, 2008
MBChatLogger
Impeach GWB NOW!
2008-05-06 12704, 2008
BrianFreud just wants to move right on from the United States of Bush to USC
2008-05-06 12733, 2008
Freso
You'd rather have Cheney?
2008-05-06 12741, 2008
juhae
Coolidge!
2008-05-06 12741, 2008
BrianFreud
lol
2008-05-06 12735, 2008
Muzzz
re
2008-05-06 12740, 2008
BrianFreud
freso, in that last batch, Cavaquinho got mis-spaced, it's throwing a bunch too far to the right
2008-05-06 12716, 2008
Freso
BrianFreud: I'll go do Cav-? now, so it'll be fixed.
2008-05-06 12717, 2008
BrianFreud
(then the missing indent I forgot on Requinto Jarocho fixes it further down :P)
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Freso
BrianFreud: Now the problem's moved down to D. :p
2008-05-06 12735, 2008
Freso
BrianFreud: There's no way I'm going to finish this project now.
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BrianFreud
lol
2008-05-06 12706, 2008
Freso
BrianFreud: So it'll probably have to look a bit odd until I've time to run through all the way.
2008-05-06 12733, 2008
BrianFreud
that's why I normally just stick with the 4 spacers, instead of the moin tricks for less spaces... easier to keep it consistantly indented
2008-05-06 12744, 2008
Freso
4 spaces is a waste of space.
2008-05-06 12707, 2008
pbryan
A track is released on iTunes, for a limited time. Single or NAT?
2008-05-06 12720, 2008
Freso uses 2, to make up for the "* " above
2008-05-06 12709, 2008
BrianFreud stumbles onto the entire Grove Dictionary of Musicians online... :) http://phonoarchive.org/grove/
2008-05-06 12705, 2008
pbryan
BrianFreud: *WOW* that is a nice facility.
2008-05-06 12756, 2008
pbryan
A mistake to leave this open?
2008-05-06 12733, 2008
BrianFreud
*shrug*
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Freso
BrianFreud: Grove links are also good arguments in instrument discussions, by the way. ;)
2008-05-06 12749, 2008
outsidecontext
luks: ping
2008-05-06 12734, 2008
BrianFreud
Freso: lol, given the type of stuff I've been working on lately, I run into all sorts of fun "old names for instruments"
2008-05-06 12755, 2008
luks
outsidecontext: pong (but I was just about to go sleep)
Freso: :) - slowly building a massive set of potential "earliest release of" listings :P
2008-05-06 12758, 2008
warp
FauxFaux: hm? are you re-encoding the flac release to flac?
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CatCat
[19:22] * Freso would love to be able to work with several structures at once... per-family, per-function, per-age, per-region, ... <- oh yes oh yes!
2008-05-06 12706, 2008
CatCat
[19:28] Freso luks: Right. I'm very much against free-text fields. I'd love to have a free-text field description to accompany the instrument list, but not to replace it. <-- i agree with that too
2008-05-06 12711, 2008
CatCat
needs both
2008-05-06 12723, 2008
CatCat
hi guys
2008-05-06 12747, 2008
CatCat
aw amn, reading your discussion abotu the summit makes me SO envious and want to come too
2008-05-06 12750, 2008
CatCat sulk
2008-05-06 12717, 2008
Freso
CatCat: Did you read the discussion fully?
2008-05-06 12724, 2008
CatCat
yes...
2008-05-06 12746, 2008
CatCat
luks liker det ikke *sight*
2008-05-06 12717, 2008
CatCat
hmph
2008-05-06 12749, 2008
CatCat
I'm going to regret it for ever if i dont coem to this summit
2008-05-06 12716, 2008
CatCat
the pit in my stomach is telling me to be impulsive
2008-05-06 12722, 2008
CatCat
.....
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CatCat
is London (Stansed) (STN) or Liverpool (LPL) best?
2008-05-06 12757, 2008
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CatCat
I can do it
2008-05-06 12727, 2008
CatCat
i jsut need to talk to someone to look after my cats
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CatCat
nikki: ping
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FauxFaux
warp: No, the 96khz/24bit wav release.
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aCiD2
CatCat: you're coming down the summit?
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CatCat
I-I will try
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aCiD2
neato :)
2008-05-06 12704, 2008
CatCat
i foudn my passport. its way out of date thoguh :s
2008-05-06 12717, 2008
aCiD2
ouch, might not be able to get it renewed in time now
2008-05-06 12717, 2008
CatCat
need someoen to look after the cats
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CatCat
an i dont know if coming late on the 9th and going early on the 11th is ok
2008-05-06 12753, 2008
aCiD2
that's what I'm doing :)
2008-05-06 12756, 2008
CatCat
ok
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CatCat vibrates
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aCiD2
I arrive at 1700, leave at 0900
2008-05-06 12727, 2008
CatCat
my thing says arrive at 15:05
2008-05-06 12730, 2008
phatmonkey
hey all
2008-05-06 12732, 2008
phatmonkey
I'd love to come to the london meet, but I can't make it this weekend
2008-05-06 12736, 2008
phatmonkey
i'll keep an eye out for the next one!
2008-05-06 12745, 2008
aCiD2
shame phat
2008-05-06 12755, 2008
aCiD2
there will be more though, I'm sure :)
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phatmonkey
hope so!
2008-05-06 12715, 2008
phatmonkey
hmm, well, I'll see
2008-05-06 12722, 2008
phatmonkey
what's the plan... just discussion all day saturday?
2008-05-06 12724, 2008
CatCat
not ones in nodnol, with a BALLPIT
2008-05-06 12731, 2008
CatCat
though
2008-05-06 12733, 2008
phatmonkey
I might turn up for a bit, but I'm way behind on revision
