if an artist makes a song that sounds very much like another song (but uses different instruments / has some differences), is that a cover, or a remix?
2008-11-09 31455, 2008
ultramage
I guess it's a cover, since that's what all existing relationships look like
2008-11-09 31451, 2008
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2008-11-09 31438, 2008
nikki
ultramage: I would say if they took the original song and edited it to sound different, it's a remix, if they listened to the song/read the music/whatever and played it themselves, it's a cover
2008-11-09 31452, 2008
ultramage
hm
2008-11-09 31402, 2008
ultramage
I'd need a definition of 'remix' to confirm that
2008-11-09 31439, 2008
Muzzz
It could be sampled too
2008-11-09 31448, 2008
ultramage
there are numerous tracks already marked as 'cover' in there, and I doubt any are a perfect reproduction of the original work
2008-11-09 31451, 2008
Muzzz
But that's more dance and drum n bass type stuff
2008-11-09 31428, 2008
nikki
a cover doesn't need to be a perfect copy...
2008-11-09 31433, 2008
nikki
how could it be?
2008-11-09 31452, 2008
MClemo
most of the bad covers try to be ;)
2008-11-09 31418, 2008
nikki
even so, different people will sing slightly different, different people will play instruments slightly different
2008-11-09 31439, 2008
ultramage
at best the tracks have the same 'motive' as the original work... but apart from that there's all sorts of deviations like added lyrics, changed instruments, a guitar solo in the middle and such
2008-11-09 31422, 2008
ultramage
"based on" would better express the relationship
2008-11-09 31441, 2008
nikki
by that definition nothing would ever be a cover :P
2008-11-09 31407, 2008
ultramage
dunno, I'm not familiar with these terms ;)
2008-11-09 31412, 2008
MClemo
sounds like a cover to me
2008-11-09 31426, 2008
ultramage
alright~
2008-11-09 31456, 2008
nikki
well the covers I know of don't try and copy the original exactly, what would be the point in making an exact copy? people could just listen to the original if they wanted to listen to the original... I guess that means I don't listen to the bad covers MClemo knows of :P
2008-11-09 31418, 2008
lauri
welcome to the top 40
2008-11-09 31447, 2008
nikki
heh
2008-11-09 31447, 2008
lauri
"It sold once, let's get a boy band to do it Exactly! The! Same! and it'll sell again!"
2008-11-09 31433, 2008
Muzzz
*exactly the same, or as best as their whiny voices can handle. But don't worry, studio effects can take care of that for the most part
2008-11-09 31403, 2008
nikki
I can't really remember chart music, but even those covers sounded different to me... probably what Muzzz said :P
2008-11-09 31414, 2008
lauri
and the songs they pick to cover.. dear god
2008-11-09 31422, 2008
nikki giggles madly
2008-11-09 31436, 2008
lauri
who's bright idea was it to get an r&b girl singer to cover 'country roads'
2008-11-09 31447, 2008
lauri
and who the hell bought that enough to get it on the charts
2008-11-09 31455, 2008
Muzzz
With the way the top 40 is going these days it's more "oh let's sample these 3 songs which were fine on their own back in the day"
2008-11-09 31458, 2008
nikki giggles even more
2008-11-09 31428, 2008
lauri
they're into second generation sampling now
2008-11-09 31437, 2008
MClemo
put some "uuuh, baby"'s in it too!
2008-11-09 31438, 2008
lauri
rihanna samples michael jackson that sampled someone else
2008-11-09 31451, 2008
lauri
i forget who, yllona would know heh
2008-11-09 31438, 2008
Muzzz
I think the post is, chart music is crap
2008-11-09 31439, 2008
Muzzz
:P
2008-11-09 31444, 2008
Muzzz
*popint is
2008-11-09 31447, 2008
Muzzz
*point
2008-11-09 31405, 2008
lauri
oh it's ok
2008-11-09 31417, 2008
MClemo
I don't really follow the charts
2008-11-09 31417, 2008
lauri
like fast food
2008-11-09 31447, 2008
nikki totally has to go watch this cover/mash-up/insane thing now
2008-11-09 31448, 2008
lauri
just don't expect a gourmet meal from it, and it's enough if you aren't really paying attention
2008-11-09 31414, 2008
lauri
I'm seriously inspired to do a 'best of MB' weekly blog post
2008-11-09 31429, 2008
lauri
rounding up the more ridiculous in-edit-note wars that most of you are missing :)
2008-11-09 31405, 2008
MClemo
haha, that would be nice
2008-11-09 31408, 2008
lauri
only here could we generate 50 posts deciding if something is a mashup, a cover, a remix, sampling, or all of the above
2008-11-09 31435, 2008
MClemo
deciding? usually there's no decision at the end ;)
2008-11-09 31446, 2008
lauri
or one i just found "If a band member says the viking runes on their covers are a logo, and their band name is in latin script.... let's not believe them and vote no on the edits anyway!"
2008-11-09 31403, 2008
nikki
is that tyr or something?
2008-11-09 31406, 2008
lauri
it is
2008-11-09 31411, 2008
nikki
how did I guess...
2008-11-09 31423, 2008
lauri
hehe, let me find the edit, let's just mash that one through
