#musicbrainz

The alias is already there :p

then I'd move it

Okay

easy

I thought the point was they can't fail, but because they're not autoedits it makes it easy to spot dupes. (It you're looking for them anyway)

If*

navap: people can search for 'add label' and 'not before x hours ago'

very easy

nikki: did you find your missing response? It went to mb-users

ohh

I'm just quoting voiceinsideyou here :p He's the crazy one that hunts down edits like those.

I have nearly all the mailing lists in the same folder so I didn't notice

Does the mailinglist archiver have a cut off point? I sent an email and the last section was cut out online. It ended the email at quite a bad spot as well..

The email that people received had the whole thing though.

navap: I know it wasn't your argument, hence why I said 'people' and not 'you' ;) it's just a poor argument for keeping them as they are

I agree, I pind it odd that a user can be presented with a voting screen, and if they vote no nothing happens :/

anyway, ruaok, luks, whoever, could we change them to be autoedits for the tt release? the current behaviour is that they don't get removed even if they fail because the attached release events stop them from being removable... it's a lot like artists used to be, as far as I remember

seems reasonable to me.

enter an enhancement request? that way voice gets a chance to pipe up. :)

I don't get what is uservoice useful for :(

luks: getting feedback from users about what features they want, and have those same users somewhat prioritise them. (by majority rule basically).

I'd be happier if we could vote for bugs/enhancements in trac.

but thats less user friendly for the non-geeks.

I don't think voting is a solution to anything, personally

voting by users, that is

I think its a valid concept for gauging people's interest.

luks: i think it is a valid way to measure interest in a certain feature, if you are aware of the limitations of doing it that way.

woooooooo

ruaok: are you aware of any trac plugins which would allawy some kind of voting, etc..?

:)

no, but I haven't looked.

acid2: hola!

hola!

warp: well, I find it similar to ubuntu's brainstorm

ruaok: ok, i guess some should be spent exploring that direction before any decision can be made on the topic.

+time

warp: which is full of stupid ideas (people don't know what they really want)

luks: you're spot on there.

with uservoice, all that stuff stays in uservoice instead of ending up in trac :P

I can close tickets in trac, and I can get emails about new tickets in trac

I can do neither in uservoice

Well, what do people want that we don't know about already?

nikki: did you ever make any progress on the feedback button for the old server?

luks: i'm not familiar with brainstorm (i'll have a look), i agree with the general assumption that users are stupid.

UV has RSS

no, I had to go to bed

Not saying that RSS is "good" just stating it as a fact.

ruaok: CatCat also discovered that the button on your server doesn't work in opera 9.2x too

oh lovely.

luks: you don't have to! we'll have UV admins to filter between stupid users and developers :)

nikki: Is 9.2 the latest version for mac?

luks: they can be closed in uservoice, I guess you just need to be an admin to do that

He is on a mac right?

navap: nah, of course not

they have 10a ones out and stuff

navap: have you tried the RSS? :P

and yes, he's on a mac

Well, then tell him to upgrade and be done with it!

navap: it was agreed that we'd support opera 9+

lol

adding http://musicbrainz.uservoice.com/index.atom to my rss reader and getting unrelated posts :)

luks: Actually I have, and I find it passeable at this stage with minimal activity.

hm?

Mango Blog on UserVoice

on the http://musicbrainz.uservoice.com/index.atom url

weird...

I really have no complaints, except I can't go and browse through them nicely like I can via gmail/trac

That hasn't happened for me..I have both General and Picard in my rss reader.

navap/nikki: catcat isn't always on mac.

navap: well, I wanted both in the same feed

Well tell him to upgrade all his Opera's :)

and the link seemed like the right one

I like the argument that we should always support the last 2 releases of all web browsers, at minimum

I should probably suggest them to fix the atom feed :)

UV has bugs, I sent a email (bypassing uv.uv.com :p) and they fixed it pretty fast.

not sure where I read that, but seems a good guideline

I had a bug where my account was cached improperly or something..weird stuff would happen on my end :/

luks: hihi, brainstorm is a bit scary

ubuntu users are generally scare

scary

not saying there aren't some good ideas there

but people with the good ideas could easily make them bug reports or blueprints in launchpad

hmmmmm: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/amazon_exp...

ruaok: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/VotePlugin , looks a bit too subtle in the screenshot.

looks like our public data was exposed via freebase.

heh. :)

warp: interesting.

I'm included to try uservoice. if it turns out to be a total mess, we can go back to this.

and if its too subtle we can make it more obvious. :)

ruaok: yes, shouldn't be too hard to create an alternative interface for it.

I've got a call in a minute... after that I'll get working on UV.

there http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/4788

thanks nikki

I like the subtle hint at the end :p

hah :P

acid2: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10085740 Are you sure that your UPC was for the US release?

It seems to suit this better, and Amazon also suggests the same. http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10156403

the UPC has US country code

those are not always right, but it's a hint that it could be the US release

Munger1 is now known as Munger

It matches the UK catalog number that the BBC has, and also the amazon listing

http://www.hbdirect.com/album_detail.php?pid=10... shows a different UPC for the US date.

But as you said, it is a US UPC, so I don't know..stuff like this makes me really confused sometimes.

If its a UR UPC, isn't it an import?

US*

do we have any PHP programmers in the house?

(ones willing to admit it anways)

u willing to take an email from someone trying to write a discid generator in php?

sure

I was playing with benchmarking the java server server, and the result was that it's probably not going to help

you're kidding...

it was nice seeing it produce around 80 track searches per second

but then I realized I'm using AND queries

and both picard and jaikoz use (default) OR queries

which are, understandable, way slower

*understandably

what rate did you get with OR queries?

I forwarded that email. please copy support@ when replying.

it dropped to something like 5 reqs/s, but I was doing always one request at a time

it was able to search faster in multiple threads if I used multiple processes to send the requests

any idea by how much?

300 reqs/minute isn't very good.

also what kind of processor and how much ram?

why are or queries that much slower?

part of the problem was probably my jvm setup

it hardly used any RAM

did the data get effectively cached or was there lots of disk io?

well, I can upload the code to svn so you can play with it if you want

acid2: because there are lot more terms that result in a lot more possible matches that need to get weeded out.

but I think it's not going to be a big win

right, but still, an order of magnitude slower?

didn't think it'd be that much

yllona: hey, where where you, last i heard of you you was gonna send me soem code review info stuff trough mail, and that's tha last i heard of you

i got worried :(

well, I have a spare server here in my office that we can use to test it more thouroughly.

yllona: http://www.review-board.org/