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      • navap
        The alias is already there :p

        • 2009-02-25 05656, 2009

      • luks
        then I'd move it

        • 2009-02-25 05615, 2009

      • navap
        Okay

        • 2009-02-25 05625, 2009

      • nikki
        luks: how easy would it be to make 'add label' edits autoedits for everyone?

        • 2009-02-25 05639, 2009

      • ruaok
        easy

        • 2009-02-25 05605, 2009

      • navap
        I thought the point was they can't fail, but because they're not autoedits it makes it easy to spot dupes. (It you're looking for them anyway)

        • 2009-02-25 05613, 2009

      • navap
        If*

        • 2009-02-25 05630, 2009

      • nikki
        navap: people can search for 'add label' and 'not before x hours ago'

        • 2009-02-25 05647, 2009

      • luks
        very easy

        • 2009-02-25 05650, 2009

      • ruaok
        nikki: did you find your missing response? It went to mb-users

        • 2009-02-25 05610, 2009

      • nikki
        ohh

        • 2009-02-25 05622, 2009

      • navap
        I'm just quoting voiceinsideyou here :p He's the crazy one that hunts down edits like those.

        • 2009-02-25 05637, 2009

      • nikki
        I have nearly all the mailing lists in the same folder so I didn't notice

        • 2009-02-25 05620, 2009

      • navap
        Does the mailinglist archiver have a cut off point? I sent an email and the last section was cut out online. It ended the email at quite a bad spot as well..

        • 2009-02-25 05643, 2009

      • navap
        The email that people received had the whole thing though.

        • 2009-02-25 05625, 2009

      • nikki
        navap: I know it wasn't your argument, hence why I said 'people' and not 'you' ;) it's just a poor argument for keeping them as they are

        • 2009-02-25 05637, 2009

      • navap
        I agree, I pind it odd that a user can be presented with a voting screen, and if they vote no nothing happens :/

        • 2009-02-25 05625, 2009

      • nikki
        anyway, ruaok, luks, whoever, could we change them to be autoedits for the tt release? the current behaviour is that they don't get removed even if they fail because the attached release events stop them from being removable... it's a lot like artists used to be, as far as I remember

        • 2009-02-25 05605, 2009

      • ruaok
        seems reasonable to me.

        • 2009-02-25 05652, 2009

      • ruaok
        enter an enhancement request? that way voice gets a chance to pipe up. :)

        • 2009-02-25 05648, 2009

      • warp finally gets around to reading ProposedUserVoiceWorkflow

        • 2009-02-25 05652, 2009

      • luks
        I don't get what is uservoice useful for :(

        • 2009-02-25 05656, 2009

      • warp
        luks: getting feedback from users about what features they want, and have those same users somewhat prioritise them. (by majority rule basically).

        • 2009-02-25 05644, 2009

      • ruaok
        I'd be happier if we could vote for bugs/enhancements in trac.

        • 2009-02-25 05653, 2009

      • ruaok
        but thats less user friendly for the non-geeks.

        • 2009-02-25 05607, 2009

      • luks
        I don't think voting is a solution to anything, personally

        • 2009-02-25 05613, 2009

      • luks
        voting by users, that is

        • 2009-02-25 05634, 2009

      • ruaok
        I think its a valid concept for gauging people's interest.

        • 2009-02-25 05654, 2009

      • warp
        luks: i think it is a valid way to measure interest in a certain feature, if you are aware of the limitations of doing it that way.

        • 2009-02-25 05650, 2009

      • acid2 joined the channel

        • 2009-02-25 05652, 2009

      • navap wonders what kind of feature enhancments people could want that a) Aren't bugs that need fixing and b) Features that everyone wants as already on the table..even if it is on the far side (NGS for example).

        • 2009-02-25 05654, 2009

      • acid2
        woooooooo

        • 2009-02-25 05656, 2009

      • warp
        ruaok: are you aware of any trac plugins which would allawy some kind of voting, etc..?

        • 2009-02-25 05659, 2009

      • acid2
        :)

        • 2009-02-25 05605, 2009

      • ruaok
        no, but I haven't looked.

        • 2009-02-25 05608, 2009

      • acid2 catches up on chatlogs

        • 2009-02-25 05611, 2009

      • ruaok
        acid2: hola!

        • 2009-02-25 05614, 2009

      • acid2
        hola!

        • 2009-02-25 05651, 2009

      • luks
        warp: well, I find it similar to ubuntu's brainstorm

        • 2009-02-25 05658, 2009

      • warp
        ruaok: ok, i guess some should be spent exploring that direction before any decision can be made on the topic.

        • 2009-02-25 05658, 2009

      • acid2 has quit

        • 2009-02-25 05607, 2009

      • warp
        +time

        • 2009-02-25 05608, 2009

      • luks
        warp: which is full of stupid ideas (people don't know what they really want)

        • 2009-02-25 05621, 2009

      • ruaok
        luks: you're spot on there.

        • 2009-02-25 05640, 2009

      • nikki
        with uservoice, all that stuff stays in uservoice instead of ending up in trac :P

        • 2009-02-25 05658, 2009

      • luks
        I can close tickets in trac, and I can get emails about new tickets in trac

        • 2009-02-25 05608, 2009

      • luks
        I can do neither in uservoice

        • 2009-02-25 05612, 2009

      • navap
        Well, what do people want that we don't know about already?

        • 2009-02-25 05614, 2009

      • ruaok
        nikki: did you ever make any progress on the feedback button for the old server?

        • 2009-02-25 05618, 2009

      • warp
        luks: i'm not familiar with brainstorm (i'll have a look), i agree with the general assumption that users are stupid.

        • 2009-02-25 05618, 2009

      • navap
        UV has RSS

        • 2009-02-25 05622, 2009

      • nikki
        no, I had to go to bed

        • 2009-02-25 05628, 2009

      • acid2 joined the channel

        • 2009-02-25 05652, 2009

      • navap
        Not saying that RSS is "good" just stating it as a fact.

        • 2009-02-25 05653, 2009

      • nikki
        ruaok: CatCat also discovered that the button on your server doesn't work in opera 9.2x too

        • 2009-02-25 05607, 2009

      • ruaok
        oh lovely.

        • 2009-02-25 05608, 2009

      • warp
        luks: you don't have to! we'll have UV admins to filter between stupid users and developers :)

        • 2009-02-25 05628, 2009

      • navap
        nikki: Is 9.2 the latest version for mac?

        • 2009-02-25 05632, 2009

      • nikki
        luks: they can be closed in uservoice, I guess you just need to be an admin to do that

        • 2009-02-25 05635, 2009

      • navap
        He is on a mac right?

        • 2009-02-25 05646, 2009

      • nikki
        navap: nah, of course not

        • 2009-02-25 05659, 2009

      • nikki
        they have 10a ones out and stuff

        • 2009-02-25 05604, 2009

      • luks
        navap: have you tried the RSS? :P

        • 2009-02-25 05604, 2009

      • nikki
        and yes, he's on a mac

        • 2009-02-25 05611, 2009

      • navap
        Well, then tell him to upgrade and be done with it!

        • 2009-02-25 05622, 2009

      • nikki
        navap: it was agreed that we'd support opera 9+

        • 2009-02-25 05627, 2009

      • ruaok
        lol

        • 2009-02-25 05629, 2009

      • luks
        adding http://musicbrainz.uservoice.com/index.atom to my rss reader and getting unrelated posts :)

        • 2009-02-25 05632, 2009

      • navap
        luks: Actually I have, and I find it passeable at this stage with minimal activity.

        • 2009-02-25 05640, 2009

      • navap
        hm?

        • 2009-02-25 05653, 2009

      • luks
        Mango Blog on UserVoice

        • 2009-02-25 05657, 2009

      • luks
        on the http://musicbrainz.uservoice.com/index.atom url

        • 2009-02-25 05608, 2009

      • nikki
        weird...

        • 2009-02-25 05609, 2009

      • navap
        I really have no complaints, except I can't go and browse through them nicely like I can via gmail/trac

        • 2009-02-25 05632, 2009

      • navap
        That hasn't happened for me..I have both General and Picard in my rss reader.

        • 2009-02-25 05636, 2009

      • warp
        navap/nikki: catcat isn't always on mac.

        • 2009-02-25 05649, 2009

      • luks
        navap: well, I wanted both in the same feed

        • 2009-02-25 05653, 2009

      • navap
        Well tell him to upgrade all his Opera's :)

        • 2009-02-25 05657, 2009

      • luks
        and the link seemed like the right one

        • 2009-02-25 05630, 2009

      • acid2
        I like the argument that we should always support the last 2 releases of all web browsers, at minimum

        • 2009-02-25 05633, 2009

      • luks
        I should probably suggest them to fix the atom feed :)

        • 2009-02-25 05636, 2009

      • navap
        UV has bugs, I sent a email (bypassing uv.uv.com :p) and they fixed it pretty fast.

        • 2009-02-25 05642, 2009

      • acid2
        not sure where I read that, but seems a good guideline

        • 2009-02-25 05652, 2009

      • navap
        I had a bug where my account was cached improperly or something..weird stuff would happen on my end :/

        • 2009-02-25 05612, 2009

      • warp
        luks: hihi, brainstorm is a bit scary

        • 2009-02-25 05632, 2009

      • luks
        ubuntu users are generally scare

        • 2009-02-25 05634, 2009

      • luks
        scary

        • 2009-02-25 05629, 2009

      • luks
        not saying there aren't some good ideas there

        • 2009-02-25 05650, 2009

      • luks
        but people with the good ideas could easily make them bug reports or blueprints in launchpad

        • 2009-02-25 05651, 2009

      • ruaok
        hmmmmm: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/amazon_expos…

        • 2009-02-25 05600, 2009

      • warp
        ruaok: http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/VotePlugin , looks a bit too subtle in the screenshot.

        • 2009-02-25 05606, 2009

      • ruaok
        looks like our public data was exposed via freebase.

        • 2009-02-25 05614, 2009

      • ruaok
        heh. :)

        • 2009-02-25 05647, 2009

      • ruaok
        warp: interesting.

        • 2009-02-25 05603, 2009

      • ruaok
        I'm included to try uservoice. if it turns out to be a total mess, we can go back to this.

        • 2009-02-25 05617, 2009

      • ruaok
        and if its too subtle we can make it more obvious. :)

        • 2009-02-25 05641, 2009

      • warp
        ruaok: yes, shouldn't be too hard to create an alternative interface for it.

        • 2009-02-25 05607, 2009

      • ruaok
        I've got a call in a minute... after that I'll get working on UV.

        • 2009-02-25 05641, 2009

      • nikki
        there http://bugs.musicbrainz.org/ticket/4788

        • 2009-02-25 05607, 2009

      • ruaok
        thanks nikki

        • 2009-02-25 05618, 2009

      • navap
        I like the subtle hint at the end :p

        • 2009-02-25 05658, 2009

      • nikki
        hah :P

        • 2009-02-25 05642, 2009

      • warp hadn't heard about freebase.

        • 2009-02-25 05627, 2009

      • Munger1 joined the channel

        • 2009-02-25 05613, 2009

      • navap
        acid2: http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10085740 Are you sure that your UPC was for the US release?

        • 2009-02-25 05650, 2009

      • navap
        It seems to suit this better, and Amazon also suggests the same. http://musicbrainz.org/show/edit/?editid=10156403…

        • 2009-02-25 05652, 2009

      • luks
        the UPC has US country code

        • 2009-02-25 05602, 2009

      • Munger has quit

        • 2009-02-25 05613, 2009

      • luks
        those are not always right, but it's a hint that it could be the US release

        • 2009-02-25 05624, 2009

      • Munger1
        Munger1 is now known as Munger

        • 2009-02-25 05635, 2009

      • navap
        It matches the UK catalog number that the BBC has, and also the amazon listing

        • 2009-02-25 05652, 2009

      • navap
        http://www.hbdirect.com/album_detail.php?pid=1055… shows a different UPC for the US date.

        • 2009-02-25 05633, 2009

      • navap
        But as you said, it is a US UPC, so I don't know..stuff like this makes me really confused sometimes.

        • 2009-02-25 05653, 2009

      • navap
        If its a UR UPC, isn't it an import?

        • 2009-02-25 05656, 2009

      • navap
        US*

        • 2009-02-25 05617, 2009

      • acid2 has quit

        • 2009-02-25 05636, 2009

      • niklas_ joined the channel

        • 2009-02-25 05604, 2009

      • ruaok
        do we have any PHP programmers in the house?

        • 2009-02-25 05618, 2009

      • ruaok
        (ones willing to admit it anways)

        • 2009-02-25 05626, 2009

      • acid2 joined the channel

        • 2009-02-25 05605, 2009

      • luks has no problem admitting it :)

        • 2009-02-25 05634, 2009

      • ruaok
        u willing to take an email from someone trying to write a discid generator in php?

        • 2009-02-25 05644, 2009

      • luks
        sure

        • 2009-02-25 05641, 2009

      • luks
        I was playing with benchmarking the java server server, and the result was that it's probably not going to help

        • 2009-02-25 05657, 2009

      • ruaok
        you're kidding...

        • 2009-02-25 05609, 2009

      • luks
        it was nice seeing it produce around 80 track searches per second

        • 2009-02-25 05618, 2009

      • luks
        but then I realized I'm using AND queries

        • 2009-02-25 05632, 2009

      • luks
        and both picard and jaikoz use (default) OR queries

        • 2009-02-25 05641, 2009

      • luks
        which are, understandable, way slower

        • 2009-02-25 05649, 2009

      • luks
        *understandably

        • 2009-02-25 05611, 2009

      • ruaok
        what rate did you get with OR queries?

        • 2009-02-25 05658, 2009

      • ruaok
        I forwarded that email. please copy support@ when replying.

        • 2009-02-25 05659, 2009

      • luks
        it dropped to something like 5 reqs/s, but I was doing always one request at a time

        • 2009-02-25 05623, 2009

      • luks
        it was able to search faster in multiple threads if I used multiple processes to send the requests

        • 2009-02-25 05653, 2009

      • ruaok
        any idea by how much?

        • 2009-02-25 05609, 2009

      • ruaok
        300 reqs/minute isn't very good.

        • 2009-02-25 05619, 2009

      • ruaok
        also what kind of processor and how much ram?

        • 2009-02-25 05627, 2009

      • acid2
        why are or queries that much slower?

        • 2009-02-25 05635, 2009

      • luks
        part of the problem was probably my jvm setup

        • 2009-02-25 05642, 2009

      • luks
        it hardly used any RAM

        • 2009-02-25 05644, 2009

      • ruaok
        did the data get effectively cached or was there lots of disk io?

        • 2009-02-25 05605, 2009

      • luks
        well, I can upload the code to svn so you can play with it if you want

        • 2009-02-25 05608, 2009

      • ruaok
        acid2: because there are lot more terms that result in a lot more possible matches that need to get weeded out.

        • 2009-02-25 05615, 2009

      • luks
        but I think it's not going to be a big win

        • 2009-02-25 05625, 2009

      • acid2
        right, but still, an order of magnitude slower?

        • 2009-02-25 05631, 2009

      • acid2
        didn't think it'd be that much

        • 2009-02-25 05644, 2009

      • CatCat
        yllona: hey, where where you, last i heard of you you was gonna send me soem code review info stuff trough mail, and that's tha last i heard of you

        • 2009-02-25 05648, 2009

      • CatCat
        i got worried :(

        • 2009-02-25 05648, 2009

      • ruaok
        well, I have a spare server here in my office that we can use to test it more thouroughly.

        • 2009-02-25 05600, 2009

      • CatCat
        yllona: http://www.review-board.org/