how do they know how they should vote if they can't understand the argument?
2009-02-01 03246, 2009
srotta
I probably wouldn't vote on that sort of edit, but I can understand the reasoning.
2009-02-01 03208, 2009
srotta
So the votes should go through?
2009-02-01 03213, 2009
srotta
Edits, I mean.
2009-02-01 03247, 2009
nikki
I don't know, I don't speak russian to research it myself :P
2009-02-01 03209, 2009
nikki
but like I said, I think I'd prefer to not include info like that if it's questionable
2009-02-01 03225, 2009
nikki
I mean... how on earth is the guy supposed to prove he *didn't* marry someone?
2009-02-01 03248, 2009
srotta
Providing he is the guy. ;)
2009-02-01 03206, 2009
nikki
well, anyone, how do they prove someone didn't marry someone?
2009-02-01 03215, 2009
srotta
Yeah, that is a problem in general, proving something didn't happen or doesn't exist is much harder than the other way round.
2009-02-01 03221, 2009
neomaq
waterwind post translation: (sorry for poor english): "on my opinion information about group must be pumped from official sources(for exam. from oficial siteof band "waterwind", but not from suspicious sources. Also i must not reporting about self to anyone- then i married and divorced"
2009-02-01 03208, 2009
nikki
so he did marry and then get divorced?
2009-02-01 03245, 2009
xlotlu
i particularly enjoy the last part :)
2009-02-01 03221, 2009
warp
nikki: you have a convincing argument, commented and voted accordingly.
2009-02-01 03207, 2009
neomaq
there is no info about WHAT hi did, i am look at official site of "melnitsa"
2009-02-01 03234, 2009
warp
ah
2009-02-01 03243, 2009
xlotlu
i do wonder however.... why would MB need such ARs?
2009-02-01 03235, 2009
nikki
you could question a lot of our relationships :P
2009-02-01 03206, 2009
srotta
Particularly if we stick to official sites, we can remove quite a lot of ARs :P
2009-02-01 03244, 2009
xlotlu
Mr. X f*cked Mrs. Y from january 2009 to february 2009...
2009-02-01 03254, 2009
nikki
constantly? :o
2009-02-01 03201, 2009
nikki
they must be pretty tired :o
2009-02-01 03202, 2009
warp
lol
2009-02-01 03212, 2009
nikki
we do have 'was involved with' though
2009-02-01 03223, 2009
warp
we do? wow.
2009-02-01 03230, 2009
xlotlu
no, really. how's that relevant to musicbrainz?
2009-02-01 03249, 2009
xlotlu
leave the crap to the media and wikipedia...
2009-02-01 03218, 2009
warp
xlotlu: i expect it often does affect the music of the artists involved.
2009-02-01 03219, 2009
nikki
the only ones I've ever used that I know of are sibling ones
2009-02-01 03222, 2009
nikki
hmm...
2009-02-01 03233, 2009
nikki
how will we translate relationships?
2009-02-01 03200, 2009
nikki
there are quite a few which barely work in english, they have no hope in other languages...
2009-02-01 03219, 2009
xlotlu
warp: jean michel jarre composed geometry of love while being head over heels for isabelle adjani
2009-02-01 03245, 2009
xlotlu
while that's probably quite relevant for the outcome, i find it simply irrelevant for MB
2009-02-01 03202, 2009
warp
I mean, if both persons involved are musicicians (they should be, otherwise one of them shouldn't be in the DB usually), you will in some cases hear the influences from one of them in the work of the other.
2009-02-01 03201, 2009
warp
xlotlu: in your example, isabelle is not really a participant other than perhaps as a muse.
2009-02-01 03223, 2009
neomaq
nikki in official sources no information about marriage Den Skurida and Maria Larina, but strange in some source she acts as Maria Skurida, but not on http://waterwind.ru/
2009-02-01 03223, 2009
warp
ooh, a muse AR! ;)
2009-02-01 03234, 2009
xlotlu
warp: maybe she was humming what turned into the album theme when getting naked out of the shower...
2009-02-01 03256, 2009
warp
xlotlu: haha, ok
2009-02-01 03238, 2009
warp
xlotlu: anyway, for me that is enough to make it relevant to MB.
2009-02-01 03249, 2009
xlotlu
or maybe a falling brick hit jarre in the head at the time, so he got the idea for his music. and his infatuation with adjani was coincidental
2009-02-01 03200, 2009
nikki
neomaq: thanks
2009-02-01 03210, 2009
Milosz
hey nikki do you know Mansfield? the band
2009-02-01 03214, 2009
srotta
xlotlu: So you're saying we should have image attributes for relationship ARs?
2009-02-01 03230, 2009
Milosz
it's japanese so i figured.. maybe you do
2009-02-01 03238, 2009
Milosz
heh
2009-02-01 03237, 2009
nikki
nope, why?
2009-02-01 03258, 2009
Milosz
just wondering
2009-02-01 03208, 2009
Milosz
i'm totally falling in love with this one album
2009-02-01 03221, 2009
Milosz
so i wanted to ask if someone else likes it
2009-02-01 03209, 2009
Milosz
just that ;)
2009-02-01 03230, 2009
nikki
ah ok
2009-02-01 03238, 2009
neomaq
luks how i can check results of hourly crontab script? on mb server page still "This mirror was last updated: 2009-01-21 00:00:03.655208+00"
2009-02-01 03257, 2009
neomaq
luks i think some errors occurs
2009-02-01 03203, 2009
luks
neomaq: do you have slave.log in the root of your mb_server intallation?
2009-02-01 03204, 2009
neomaq
luks no :( `find / -name slave.log` thers is no such file in filesystem
2009-02-01 03220, 2009
luks
hm, which script do you have in cron?
2009-02-01 03245, 2009
luks
normally it should be admin/cron/slave.sh
2009-02-01 03210, 2009
luks
if you use admin/replication/LoadReplicationChanges directly, you need to redirect the output (and stderr) somewhere
2009-02-01 03201, 2009
neomaq crontab was '15 * * * * root /home/mbserver/svn/mb_server/admin/cron/hourly.sh'
2009-02-01 03205, 2009
nikki wonders what slave.sh does
2009-02-01 03217, 2009
luks
um, hourly.sh, why?
2009-02-01 03223, 2009
luks
I don't think that does replication
2009-02-01 03239, 2009
luks
it *produces* replication packets, at best :)
2009-02-01 03213, 2009
luks
nikki: just runs LoadReplicationChanges with logrotated log file
2009-02-01 03236, 2009
nikki
ah ok
2009-02-01 03259, 2009
nikki has always used LoadReplicationChanges
2009-02-01 03227, 2009
neomaq
luks fix this, waiting for cronjob runs (2 min remaining)
2009-02-01 03255, 2009
luks
will take some time to update the DB
2009-02-01 03217, 2009
luks
at least 240 packets to import
2009-02-01 03209, 2009
nikki
I should probably make mine use cron...
2009-02-01 03218, 2009
neomaq
145 1368 76% 9 89"
2009-02-01 03226, 2009
luks
hm, I wonder how well can handle ext3 about 1M files
2009-02-01 03231, 2009
nikki
thinking of extracting freedb data?
2009-02-01 03204, 2009
luks
discogs
2009-02-01 03225, 2009
nikki
ah
2009-02-01 03230, 2009
luks
but I guess I should better import it into some kind of database
2009-02-01 03235, 2009
luks
even sqlite might do the job
2009-02-01 03239, 2009
nikki
hehe
2009-02-01 03258, 2009
luks
it's 371.6M gzipped, can't be that bigh
2009-02-01 03259, 2009
luks
-h
2009-02-01 03209, 2009
nikki
I was going to insert the freedb stuff into sqlite once just so I could search the bloody thing
2009-02-01 03244, 2009
nikki
oh, luks, would simply making the aliases in the db not unique break anything?
2009-02-01 03228, 2009
luks
I think some of the current code relies on it
2009-02-01 03246, 2009
nikki
oh?
2009-02-01 03246, 2009
luks
but nothing major
2009-02-01 03253, 2009
luks
should be simple to fix
2009-02-01 03221, 2009
luks
it's just a few checks, those could be simply removed
2009-02-01 03237, 2009
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luks
damn, this is not going to be fun. the huge XML file is not actually valid XML
2009-02-01 03243, 2009
nikki
:S
2009-02-01 03254, 2009
nikki
what's invalid?
2009-02-01 03214, 2009
nikki
I mean... what are they doing that's invalid
2009-02-01 03237, 2009
luks
it doesn't have a single root element, that's the first thing I've noticed before writing any code
2009-02-01 03253, 2009
luks
I know they also have some XML-forbitten characters in the data
2009-02-01 03203, 2009
luks
\2 or something
2009-02-01 03217, 2009
nikki tuts at them
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Milosz
maybe it's XML 1.1
2009-02-01 03222, 2009
luks
I think it's called "tag soup" normally :)
2009-02-01 03235, 2009
luks
hm, I just realized they don't actually have multi-disc releases in their schema
2009-02-01 03251, 2009
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nikki
what do they have?
2009-02-01 03223, 2009
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luks
track numbers like 1-1, 2-1
2009-02-01 03243, 2009
luks
actually, it's even not constent
2009-02-01 03200, 2009
luks
1-1, 1-01, 1.1
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Milosz
that's nice..
2009-02-01 03232, 2009
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nikki
luks: I was also wondering... do you know why pending aliases don't show up on the alias page?
2009-02-01 03252, 2009
luks
because the moderation code doesn't add them to the database until the edit is approved
2009-02-01 03258, 2009
nikki
ah
2009-02-01 03205, 2009
nikki
that's not so easy to fix I guess
2009-02-01 03228, 2009
luks
not very hard either
2009-02-01 03225, 2009
nikki
hmm... I guess I can't bribe you with chocolate...
2009-02-01 03249, 2009
luks
maybe you can :)
2009-02-01 03202, 2009
nikki
really? :o
2009-02-01 03210, 2009
luks
the only problem I see that we need to either close all add alias edits before updating the server or add a new edit type
2009-02-01 03229, 2009
luks
not sure which option is better
2009-02-01 03240, 2009
nikki
they're easy enough to approve
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nikki
what would happen if we didn't close them all before updating it?
2009-02-01 03217, 2009
luks
the code would try to remove aliases that don't exist yet
2009-02-01 03234, 2009
luks
well, that's in case they are voted one
2009-02-01 03245, 2009
luks
in case they are accepted they would never be added
2009-02-01 03217, 2009
luks
*voted down
2009-02-01 03252, 2009
nikki
so we could approve them before upgrading, and if any sneak in after that, approve those after upgrading and re-enter them?
2009-02-01 03218, 2009
luks
yeah, that should work
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luks
hehe, Alias::Insert sets errno to EEXIST
2009-02-01 03207, 2009
CatCat
aaah yea, i remember when i was regular mod, I *hated* that aliases didn't show up
2009-02-01 03252, 2009
CatCat
becoming automod, one of the first things I was thinking was "yay! now aliases will show up immediately!"
2009-02-01 03225, 2009
CatCat
it was, heh, one of my big incentives to *becoming* automod
2009-02-01 03252, 2009
nikki
they've bothered quite a few people for quite a long time :P
2009-02-01 03259, 2009
CatCat
indeed
2009-02-01 03201, 2009
nikki
hence me being willing to bribe people to fix it :P
2009-02-01 03216, 2009
CatCat
nelol that it's taken much a long time
2009-02-01 03223, 2009
CatCat
such*
2009-02-01 03249, 2009
CatCat
nelol --> not even laughable
2009-02-01 03255, 2009
CatCat
Koji Kondo ~ Gerudo Valley (1:34) (from The Legend of Zelda Original Soundtrack) (1998)
2009-02-01 03213, 2009
CatCat
this song is awesome
2009-02-01 03229, 2009
CatCat
s/song/tune/
2009-02-01 03212, 2009
CatCat
nikki: need anything help with bribing materials? :D
