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      • jacobbrett_
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      • jacobbrett
        http://wiki.musicbrainz.org/Multiple_Title_Style should the release be put under 'album'/'EP', or 'compilation'?

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      • Munger
        Is this a worldwide release ? http://artwork.trhosking.com/00%20Unsorted/00%20U…

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      • voiceinsideyou
        CDs are almost never "worldwide"

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      • voiceinsideyou
        they may be released in a lot of countries; but you should probably only create a release event for the countries you know it was locally released in; or Europe at worst

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      • Munger
        That's what I thought, but the wording on the cover is slightly ambiguous

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      • Munger
        This on is probably just US

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      • Wizzcat
        looks french to me

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      • Wizzcat
        or nevermind, the barcode is the same it would seem

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      • Munger
        I think it might actually have been made for worldwide release, but I'll put it as US for now

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      • Wizzcat
        eu+us isn't really global :)

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      • Wizzcat
        honestly I kinda wish it hadn't been named worldwide, it's only used for digital releases anyway

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      • voiceinsideyou
        should have had "Non-censored Internet" as a release country :p

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      • jacobbrett
        Heh, glad I don't live in America, with all that "un/censored version" crap

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      • RifRaf
        another aussie, g'day jacobbrett

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      • voiceinsideyou
        don't you live in Australia, which bans video games with gay abandon?

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      • jacobbrett
        :D

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      • voiceinsideyou
        :)

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      • jacobbrett
        oh, true... u.u

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      • voiceinsideyou
        music is next I'm sure

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      • jacobbrett
        and our internet is slowly being censored with that child porn blacklist

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      • voiceinsideyou
        heh

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      • jacobbrett
        well, only half the links on that blacklist are child porn, the rest is just plain censorship

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      • voiceinsideyou
        you checked? :p

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      • jacobbrett
        no lol, I read about it on wikileaks

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      • BlueLobster
        Do they still allow usenet access in australia?

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      • jacobbrett
        No clue, probably

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      • Wizzcat
        hard to ban usenet

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      • RifRaf
        been years since i used usenet so no idea either

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      • Wizzcat
        it's older than the internets

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      • BlueLobster
        on the other hand

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      • BlueLobster
        as a percentage of total bits

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      • BlueLobster
        nttp probably carries more illegal data than any other protocol

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      • Wizzcat
        well that's a given

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      • Wizzcat
        and there's a lot of profiteering going on, so it wouldn't surprise me if they nailed all the companies offering binary services

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      • BlueLobster
        in america, almost everyone resells giganews

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      • Wizzcat
        at least giganews are serious enough to be able to have a fighting chance in court, unlike piratebay etc.

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      • BlueLobster
        eyah that's true

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      • srotta
        Coming back to earlier discussion, I rarely add release events to foreign releases.

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      • warp rarely adds non-foreign releases.

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      • pronik
        wow, got my first kudo on ohloh....

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      • pronik
        from the libintl-perl author...

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      • soccos
        http://musicbrainz.org/artist/3231d12a-c42d-4977-…

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      • soccos
        how do I get the view where I can 'expand all releases'?

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      • luks
        click on "Releases" in the header

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      • soccos
        then 'Change to full listing'

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      • soccos
        that's a little obscure

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      • aCiD2
        luks: I thought you were going to paris :)

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      • aCiD2
        or is that next week

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      • pronik
        he probably *is* in paris :)

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      • aCiD2
        hah

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      • jacobbrett
        soccos: Yeah, I wish it would expand by default, or something

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      • pronik
        and approving my requests on facebook

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      • luks
        aCiD2: tomorrow morning

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      • aCiD2
        luks: gotcha

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      • luks
        killing some time playing with http://89.103.73.235:5000/

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      • aCiD2
        well, while you are here... mind reviewing http://codereview.musicbrainz.org/r/178/ ? :)

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      • pronik
        have I mentioned I'm afraid of the time when luks goes on sabbatical? ;)

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      • aCiD2
        if that looks ok, I should be able to write the others simple ones (those without joins) with ease

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      • pronik
        i.e. reimplementing all of mb 24/7....

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      • aCiD2
        for artist data, I'm planning on first trying to create all gender objects, then all name objects, etc - then finally creating the artist

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      • aCiD2
        hopefully this is all sane

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      • luks
        well, I had a little bit different idea how to handle this

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      • aCiD2
        as always :) enlighten me?

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      • luks
        especially for updates, it would be useful to be able to tell the function to only update some fields

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      • luks
        e.g. only change artist name, don't touch anything else

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      • luks
        so what I did in ngs-p was that "insert" got a hash with values and returned an object

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      • aCiD2
        yea, for updates I'll be doing Data->artist->update($obj, %changes) probably

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      • aCiD2
        hmm, I can do that too

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      • luks
        and "update" got object and hash with new values

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      • luks
        and changed only those

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      • aCiD2
        yup, that's what I'm thinking for objects

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      • luks
        they can be exactly in the same format as entity attributes

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      • aCiD2
        any reason you prefer create to take a hash though? Surely it's easier to use the objects and let the create function walk through the object?

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      • luks
        consistency with update, and it's easier to create a plain hash in the controller

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      • aCiD2
        it's not really much harder to create the object though now we have moose

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      • aCiD2
        but I can change it to take a hash if you want

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      • luks
        I think the entity objects have more attributes than necessary for insert

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      • aCiD2
        you wouldn't be setting them though

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      • luks
        I don't know, it just feels cleaner to just give it the data I want in the DB

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      • aCiD2
        ok

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      • luks
        so the api would look like my $obj = $foo_data->insert({name => "Name"});

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      • aCiD2 nods

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      • aCiD2
        you want ->insert or ->create?

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      • luks
        I'd prefer insert

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      • luks
        for consistency with sql

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      • aCiD2
        ok

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      • luks
        I'd call it create if it was a Entity::Foo method

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      • luks
        in active record kind of ORM

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      • RifRaf
        hey luks

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      • luks
        hey

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      • RifRaf
        any idea when picard 0.12 will make its release? keen to see if a few things are fixed

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      • RifRaf
        just to fine tune plugins mainly

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      • luks
        we would like to release it in two weeks from now

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      • RifRaf
        cool

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      • luks
        but I can't guarantee that

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      • RifRaf
        yeah i can see you guys been busy, with stuff thats all above me

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      • luks
        aCiD2: hm, I didn't know about RETURNING

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      • luks
        insteresting

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      • aCiD2
        saves us a select :)

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      • luks
        yep, and a possible race condition

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      • aCiD2
        even better

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      • luks
        maybe curval is safe to call in transaction, I'm not sure

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      • luks
        but RETURNING definitelly looks better

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      • aCiD2
        The Art of SQL was a worthwhile investment then :P

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      • luks
        :)

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      • aCiD2
        ok luks, updated

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      • aCiD2
        I still need to play golf with insert_returning_id to make it a bit more concise, but does that look ok?

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      • luks
        insert() can insert multiple objects at the same time, right?

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      • aCiD2
        yea

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      • aCiD2
        though I need to write a test for it

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      • aCiD2
        damnit, lost my wallet

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      • luks
        oops

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      • aCiD2
        aha, found. ok, I gotta go to the post office, back in a bit

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      • enjayhch
        hello

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      • enjayhch
        when is the next full musicbrainz export going to be?

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      • enjayhch
        I might have damaged my database while attempting to upgrade my slave

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      • enjayhch
        s/damaged/deleted/

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      • Muz
        Oh, don't say that whilst I've got the upgrade script running. :|

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      • enjayhch
        it was my fault, not the upgrade script's fault

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      • Muz
        Out of curiousity, how? :p I've had the script running for a few hours on my server now heh.

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      • luks
        few hours? that doesn't sound right

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      • Muz
        I started it in the morning, and it's still running now. At least 3 hours? I've got postgres running on very limited resources.

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      • luks
        hm

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      • Muz
        It's doing something though. "Processing identical release events..." 614600/691506

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      • bueller
        Hey guys, a couple of quick questions. I'm getting this error when trying to log into my musicbrainz database install Could not open file (/home/httpd/musicbrainz/locks/Apache-Session-aa3efdcc2b3de1fdfde3d319a80e5fdf.lock) for writing: Permission denied at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Apache/Session/Lock/File.pm line 62.

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      • luks
        that definitely shouldn't be that slow

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      • luks
        it's going to take days if you are there after 3 hours

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      • Muz
        It's doing about 100 every 2-3 seconds.