it's the same CD released separately as different products
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Munger
Every time I have tried to create clone releases to reflect that, I have been told in no uncertain terms not to do so
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gioele
Something I cannot find in the guidelines. Should I use one big release group for discs that have been released on a weekly basis and sold attached to newspapers, a common practice in Italy?
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luks
gioele: no
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Munger
I have been trying to clear this up for 4 or 5 months now. Origianally I was going to create two different releases for the discs that clashed
luks: but to me the look more like a disc box (and they are often re-released as single cd-boxes) than disc series like Café del Mar
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gnu_andrew
Munger, what would the title of the individual releases be that you want to group?
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Munger
luks, which is a shame, because it would be the idela way to do it
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luks
gioele: infinite disc box? :)
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luks
Munger: it would be ideal to have a proper way to handle it
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gioele
we are talking about ten disc released one each week, not one a year
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gioele
YearlyReleaseGroup :)
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Munger
gnu_andrew, "The Blues Collection 55: Steppin' Up in Class" and "The Blues Collection 77: Steppin' Up in Class" grouped as "The Blues Collection: Steppin' Up in Class"
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luks
there is really no difference between that and "Now That What I Call Music 345"
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gioele
ah, and they have a finite, and known from the start, size, not like the series that continues volume after volume
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luks
gioele: not even that
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gnu_andrew
gioele, the idea of release groups is to collect together multiple physical releases with similar contents (e.g. releases of the same album/single in multiple countries) or releases which included multiple discs on release
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luks
gioele: it's ok to group a disc box, not a series
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gnu_andrew
Munger, sounds appropriate to me as they have the same contents
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luks
gioele: if you have 10 CDs marketed as a single product, it's a release group
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luks
gioele: if you have 10 CDs where each of them is Volume X, it's 10 release groups
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gioele
luks: actually it is marketed as a single product (with a 2-euro hard cover sold separately), you just have to build your cd set over the time (usually a 2-month time span)
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gnu_andrew
Munger, I was worried at first you wanted to group 54, 55, 56... etc. which is clearly wrong
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Munger
luks, You can buy The Blues Collection as a single product. It was available as a complete set from Orbis after they released the last issue
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luks
gioele: a single product is sold once, not weekly
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gnu_andrew
* If the individual discs of a re-released Box Set have not been duplicated, due to the rules outlined at "What Defines A Unique Release", each disc in that set should not be grouped together as per the normal box set rules noted above.
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gioele
luks: the product is single (you see advertising for the collection, not for single discs) but its collection is a bit spread over the time :)
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Munger
gnu_andrew, No, I want to group the same physical disc that may have different titles due to variations in the issue number
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luks
if it's sold as a box set too, MB can't handle that at the moment
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gnu_andrew
Munger, yes I think that's appropriate
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gioele
oh, and yes, later they are sold again as a single box set
Munger, there'd be only one release surely? with multiple events?
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Munger
gnu_andrew, Should I drop the issue number from the RG title for consistency? After all, there may be variations I don't yet know about
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gnu_andrew
Munger, that sounds sensible. Then multiple catalogue numbers could be given via release events.
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Munger
gnu_andrew, Well. not so much multiple catalog numbers. Like we said, I might turn up another version of the same disc with a different issue number and a cloned release can be dropped stright into the RG
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Munger
+a
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Munger
i.e. "Stormy Monday Blues" may suddenly appear as issue 5 of a series rather than issue 16
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Munger
I just learned that this series was also released in Australia, and have no idea how it was organised
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Munger
My only concern is that as soon as I start dropping the numbers from RG titles, I am going to get a flood of 'NO' votes. I guess I need to document the reasoning somewhere first
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Prodoc runs for cover with a bottle of Whisky just in case things escalate after sending two proposals to the mailing list
if you are trying to do some kind of artist name completion using this, please don't
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ipconfig
what would be wrong with that?
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luks
it's not optimized for that, it would make the server really unhappy
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ipconfig
alright, but I guess a lot of people are using it that way
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luks
I doubt it
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luks
it wouldn't give you very good results anyway
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luks
thanks to the way the text is indexed
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ojnkpjg
anyone know what's up with non-album tracks now that we have release groups? trying to add one the old way errors out
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ojnkpjg
should each one be a separate release inside a [non-album tracks] release group?
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pronik
luks: I'm in train now, gonna miss the meeting today. Could you please tell Rob? Thanks. Will be available later though if someone needs me
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gioele
what do you think of a single-language mailing list? I found other Italian editors and I'd like to have a place where I can coordinate our efforts (in Italian). A mailing list would be great, a mailing-list @musicbrainz.org even better (I'd use Google groups otherwise)
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ollie__
woo, ruaok is back
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ollie__
ollie__ is now known as aCiD2
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ruaok
hey. :-)
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aCiD2
good time?
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ruaok
yes, but the trip was filled with poor timing.
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ruaok
all the good acts went on at midnight or later.
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ruaok
and I was either exhausted from travel or had to be up too early to really enjoy the good groups.
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aCiD2
that's a bit sucky
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ruaok
but it was worthwhile nonetheless.
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aCiD2
cool :)
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ruaok
yeah, but I got to see MODESELETOR + APPARAT. They were quite cool.
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aCiD2
oh wow nice
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aCiD2
I love both of them :)
2009-06-01 15224, 2009
ruaok
I think you've *really* enjoyed this conference.
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ruaok
I get thinking about you. :)
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aCiD2
:D
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ruaok
would've enjoyed....
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aCiD2
kept*? :)
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ruaok
yeah.
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ruaok
still vastly underslept.
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aCiD2
noted, heh
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ruaok
and today I've got guests from Essex for 4 days.
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aCiD2
oh?
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aCiD2
personal, or work related?
2009-06-01 15209, 2009
ruaok
personal.
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ruaok
or rather friends of Tyler and Jayme, whom you met at decomp.
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aCiD2
ahh
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ruaok
her sister is getting married next weekend and they decided to tag along.
