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FauxFaux peers at http://musicbrainz.org/album/c3f91d98-0189-461d-bde8-27e79edb5239.html
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Muz
O.o
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FauxFaux
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Muz
Don't hassle the Hoff faux
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FauxFaux
Hurhurhur.
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Le_Vert
well
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Le_Vert
mmh
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19:52 PM
Le_Vert
libtunepimp 0.5.2 and picard 0.7.2 have been uploaded to debian experimental
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20:02 PM
luks
Le_Vert: I really don't like one thing about your package
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20:02 PM
luks
but you probably know which one...
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20:03 PM
Freso
luks: Is there a Scots (sco) translation in progress of the current Picard?
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20:04 PM
luks
no
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20:08 PM
Le_Vert
which one ?
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20:09 PM
luks
the patch
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20:09 PM
Le_Vert
about config.guess/sub ?
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20:09 PM
luks
no
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20:09 PM
Le_Vert
oh
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20:09 PM
Le_Vert
about picard ?
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20:09 PM
luks
yes
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20:09 PM
Le_Vert
yes sorry
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20:09 PM
luks
the dialog that asks for donations is there for a reason
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20:10 PM
Le_Vert
I never saw any nagscreen in any debian package
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20:10 PM
Le_Vert
I think people will bug report against that
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20:10 PM
Le_Vert
it's pretty annoying
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20:13 PM
luks
yes, it is
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20:13 PM
luks
but i don't really understand the logic
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20:14 PM
luks
on one hand you want to use MB
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20:14 PM
luks
on the other hand you cut-off one of the main MB's income
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Le_Vert
well
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20:22 PM
Le_Vert
we could add a Contribute! entry in help menu
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20:22 PM
mustaqila
I doubt it'd have as much effecy
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20:22 PM
mustaqila
effect, rather
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20:23 PM
Le_Vert
I don't think a popup that spawn after each start will help to get contribuion
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20:23 PM
Le_Vert
i'll just annoy users and they will make the same patch as me
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20:23 PM
Le_Vert
and attach it to our BTS
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20:25 PM
mustaqila
Yeah, it won't help at all. That's why it was just mentioned as being one of the main sources of income
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20:25 PM
Kerensky97
If you pay it doesn't bug you anymore. Pretty standard.
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FauxFaux
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FauxFaux manages to get one of the more irritating Picard crashes to occour consistently, huzzah! Ticketed!
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ruaok rolls in ass late for the day
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mustaqila
Morning
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21:29 PM
ruaok
or afternoon. :)
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21:35 PM
ruaok
Kerensky97: ping?
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21:38 PM
Kerensky97
hullo
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21:39 PM
ruaok
I'm working to implement the new release type and to fix up the AR on the main server.
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21:39 PM
ruaok
for the pseudo-release I need to have a description....
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21:40 PM
ruaok
album -> "An album release primarily consists of previously unreleased material..."
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21:40 PM
ruaok
do you guys have a nice concise one sentence description?
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catgruff rolls
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catgruff waves
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ruaok waves back
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Kerensky97
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catgruff
:D
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Kerensky97
Now to think of a way to shrink down a wiki page into a sentance.
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21:42 PM
ruaok
Kerensky97: yup, that's exactly what's needed.
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21:42 PM
ruaok
If you can work that up, I can get it live on my test server ASAP.
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21:42 PM
mke
Hi all. I'm wondering - musicbrainz matches albums quite well - my I search for "foobar (disc 1)" it will match the album "foobar" whereas if I search "foobar (disc 2)" it correctly matches "foobar (bonus disc)" which is quite neat.
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21:42 PM
mke
How does the backend do its approx string matches?
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21:43 PM
catgruff
lucene
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21:43 PM
mke
it uses lucene?
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catgruff
ja
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ruaok
mke: no.
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21:43 PM
ruaok
it use a levenshtein edit distance algorithm for text matches.
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21:43 PM
mke
Ok - what's it use then? Homebrew text matching?
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21:43 PM
mke
Ah, I thought so.
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catgruff
:s
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catgruff
sorry
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Freso
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Kerensky97
"A pseudo-release is a duplicate release allowed to stay under MusicBrainz rules for translation purposes." ?
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mke
Is it difficult to implement? I've been thinking of using some Perl levenshtein implementations, but I'm a little, hum, wary. :)
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21:44 PM
catgruff
sounds good to me
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21:44 PM
ruaok
mke: there are perl implementations. we use it a lot.
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21:44 PM
Kerensky97
"A pseudo-release is a duplicate release allowed to stay in MusicBrainz rules for translation purposes" might be better grammar
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21:45 PM
ruaok
Kerensky97: I don't like the "allowed to stay part"
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mke
ruaok: also, what parameters do you use for the levenshtein matching? what's the max edit distance you allow?
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21:45 PM
catgruff
also not rules
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21:45 PM
Kerensky97
"A pseudo-release is a duplicate release in MusicBrainz for translation purposes, etc."
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21:45 PM
ruaok
"A pseudo-release is a duplicate release for translation/transliteration purposes"
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21:46 PM
Kerensky97
either of those, they're basically the same.
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catgruff
I liked the last one
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ruaok
I'll go with the last one for now. Don will make me change it anyway. :)
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catgruff
:)
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Kerensky97
:)
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ruaok
mke: it depends on the context.
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ruaok
I usually convert the edit distance to a percentage.
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ruaok
makes it easier for me to think about.
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mke
percentage of total string length?
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ruaok
combined total string length.
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ruaok
ed / len(a) + len(b)
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ruaok
er.
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ruaok
1. - (ed / len(a) + len(b))
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mke
Aha, why combined string lenth? (Or is that a really dumb question? :))
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FauxFaux
Uh.. lucene uses LD, doesn't it?
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ruaok
FauxFaux: I dont know.
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ruaok
mke: max edit distance.
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FauxFaux
Sorry, what I meant was "Lucene uses LD". :)
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ruaok
if you have two entirely different strings, the max edit distance is len(a) + len(b)
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mke
Aha, of course. I'm sorry :)
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21:50 PM
mke
I'm being more than slightly thick tonight.
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21:50 PM
ruaok
np.
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ruaok <3 LD
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catgruff
!wtf LD
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21:51 PM
mke
Yeah, it looks very damn useful.
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21:51 PM
catgruff
bah brainz bot is deada
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ruaok
levensthein edit distance
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catgruff
ooohhkkjk
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21:51 PM
mke
I'm about to give it a spin on this lyrics fetching script I wrote :)
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21:51 PM
ruaok doesn't want to hear anything about lyrics
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FauxFaux
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21:51 PM
mke
(It's missing about 1000 of my 8000 songs, I'm hoping the LD thing will work.)
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21:51 PM
mke
Why not? :)
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Freso
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ruaok
mke: legal rights. lyrics are a minefield
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mke
ruaok: Ah, I see. That's a huge shame. :(
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21:53 PM
mke
But never mind legal rights - getting reliable and accurate lyrics for a database of songs as huge as musicbrainz is bloody impossible anyway.
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21:53 PM
ruaok
FauxFaux: please enter a bug report about that.
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21:53 PM
catgruff
Freso: heh
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21:53 PM
catgruff
but also: WTF kittyears?
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FauxFaux
ruaok: Already on it. :)
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21:54 PM
ruaok
FauxFaux: thanks.
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21:54 PM
ruaok
Kerensky97: this edit obviates the need for me to worry about moving the AR from test to live, right?
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21:54 PM
Freso
catgruff: VGCats = Video Game Cats - note the "Cats"
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ruaok
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21:55 PM
catgruff
hmm odd
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21:56 PM
Kerensky97
ruaok: I think so, live already has a language/script AR that kind of appeared out of nowhere.
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21:57 PM
ruaok
Kerensky97: you can search mods to see who set that AR, ya know?
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21:57 PM
ruaok
ok, I'll leave it be then for now.
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FauxFaux
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22:00 PM
mke
FauxFaux: Using perl: use Text::Levenshtein; :)
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Kerensky97
ruaok: I don't know how to do a search like that.
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22:00 PM
FauxFaux
mke: Booo! Perl sucks!
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22:01 PM
mke
Perl rocks.
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22:01 PM
FauxFaux
Do it in sed and batch files!
