I was tempted to write one for entering the last release I did... I didn't bother until I talked with yllona...
2006-04-29 11939, 2006
Nyght
Ah inhouseuk, you're picking on my guy there!
2006-04-29 11943, 2006
Nyght
What do you want to know?
2006-04-29 11903, 2006
Nyght
They were recorded at Celldweller studio and Klayton was the one that as well produced the album
2006-04-29 11938, 2006
Nyght
and yes, unfortunately in the liner notes Celldweller (as the person) was the one attrib'd. I actually dug it out to look because I didn't think it was. (Should I create a "celldweller" person artist?
2006-04-29 11908, 2006
ojnkpjg
we could just ripoff the discogs entry/edit form concepts for ARs :P
2006-04-29 11911, 2006
Nyght
But, fair warning, all of Klayton's aliases is like.. ten, throughout the albums.
2006-04-29 11922, 2006
inhouseuk
Nyght: I don't need to know anything :) I mentioned it on the style list that removing engineered from those AR's could lead to confusion and nobody took any notice of me. In my opinion those AR entried as they are on that artist are confusing
2006-04-29 11935, 2006
inhouseuk
entries
2006-04-29 11935, 2006
Nyght nudges inhouseuk, and would love that group changed to person
2006-04-29 11918, 2006
Nyght
Um... well? You're more than welcome to point it out. (I can add another link you'll go crazy over.. That's Klayton's page in specific.)
Nyght: you're going on about something different to me. Please slow down and look at the question I asked with regard to those AR types. The artist involved is not important
2006-04-29 11900, 2006
inhouseuk
I just happened to notice on that specific artist
2006-04-29 11949, 2006
Nyght
I guess it's that I know the difference. As far as your specific question.. it's exactly produced and recorded and what I "think" they mean?
2006-04-29 11913, 2006
inhouseuk
but would everybody see it that way?
2006-04-29 11919, 2006
inhouseuk
I don't think they would
2006-04-29 11955, 2006
Nyght
Probably not
2006-04-29 11946, 2006
inhouseuk
so you wouldn't misinterpret " recorded Misguided from 1995 until 1995"
2006-04-29 11959, 2006
Nyght
Production and Recording to the "average" fan, yeah, I would be ultra confused
2006-04-29 11911, 2006
inhouseuk
exactly!
2006-04-29 11918, 2006
Nyght
Is it the dates that make it confusing?
2006-04-29 11929, 2006
Nyght
or, just the lack of the engineered?
2006-04-29 11932, 2006
inhouseuk
which is what I was attempting to get across on the mailing list
2006-04-29 11940, 2006
inhouseuk
lack of engineered
2006-04-29 11918, 2006
inhouseuk
having the dates there doesn't help the situation
2006-04-29 11957, 2006
Nyght
okay.. with Celldweller it's so screwed because it was a "name" and then he began to use it as a production. (which is why I truly wanted it to remain a person, because group to me is incredibly misleading.) but.... as far as produced, recorded. mix engineered. Most people don't realize the depths and what they mean.
2006-04-29 11941, 2006
Nyght
You can remove the dates if it is taken back to person. (Or, we can create another "person" and shift them to that? )_
2006-04-29 11948, 2006
MartinRudat 's eyes glaze over...
2006-04-29 11900, 2006
Nyght
anyways, I can see ways to clear it up.. but they are all very intricate and messy in a lot of ways.
2006-04-29 11922, 2006
Nyght
Where as before, at least it could be done under one "artist".
2006-04-29 11947, 2006
inhouseuk
Nyght: please ignore the fact I highlighted those AR's on that artist. The artist is not important to the discusion I started
2006-04-29 11957, 2006
Nyght
Unfortunately I couldn't formulate my thoughts to put them down in concise fashion during that mailing list discussion.
2006-04-29 11910, 2006
Nyght
k, done
2006-04-29 11912, 2006
Nyght
:)
2006-04-29 11939, 2006
inhouseuk
we can sort out if it is to be a group or an artist at a later date :)
2006-04-29 11948, 2006
Nyght
I think there are times (considering there are musically knowledgeable people in MB's moderators) that they forget what a novice doesn't know.
2006-04-29 11959, 2006
Nyght
and I think when they try to over simplify it, it makes it more confusing.
2006-04-29 11924, 2006
Nyght
(moderators and on the mailing list)
2006-04-29 11930, 2006
inhouseuk
yes, which is what I was trying to get across
2006-04-29 11931, 2006
Nyght
I as well think the multitude of AR's is very helpful to try and break it down to a more understandable level.. but, perhaps the ultra intensive AR's.. it's a real mess. Because someone may come along that truly knows what they mean
2006-04-29 11937, 2006
Nyght
and then they are added, which I think is great!
2006-04-29 11910, 2006
Nyght
but, it's the novice that they were changed for, to try and make it less confusing... at the same time, it's still very confusing all the way around in end product.
2006-04-29 11919, 2006
inhouseuk
in this particular instance it could be mis-understood that "recorded Misguided from 1995 until 1995" shows he is the performer
2006-04-29 11900, 2006
inhouseuk
when he is actually the recording engineer on that album
2006-04-29 11913, 2006
MartinRudat
...hmm... where is the concern about confusion? that people read the information and leave with the wrong impression, or that people enter the information incorrectly?
2006-04-29 11942, 2006
Nyght
Yep.. and there's missing ones, which if added into the mess would only make it more confusing.
2006-04-29 11907, 2006
Schika
Nyght: you're talking about edit #4701846 ?
2006-04-29 11925, 2006
Nyght
because when someone record engineer's produces and as well mix engineers, it only makes it appear more so.
2006-04-29 11927, 2006
inhouseuk
MartinRudat: mainly get the wrong information
2006-04-29 11947, 2006
Nyght
because it then becomes recorded, produced and mix engineered.
2006-04-29 11956, 2006
Nyght
(the three processes most know to making an album)
2006-04-29 11940, 2006
inhouseuk
Schika: no
2006-04-29 11956, 2006
Nyght
Schika: No, we're talking about how confusing it is that record engineered is not there and is just shorted to recorded
2006-04-29 11902, 2006
MartinRudat
inhouseuk: ouch, that's a tough problem...
2006-04-29 11944, 2006
Nyght
Martin, it's bad to have someone think one person/group recorded something.. then they try and shift the album to that person
2006-04-29 11952, 2006
Nyght
even though, in truth, they didn't perform it.
2006-04-29 11955, 2006
Schika
ah OK, I prefered the earlier title "record engineered" we had
2006-04-29 11925, 2006
Nyght
Yeah, same here. But, as I said I couldn't formulate my words or thoughts. Having a hard time now because I say recorded I mean recorded.
2006-04-29 11937, 2006
inhouseuk
Schika: I did as well
2006-04-29 11939, 2006
Schika
it's not so much missleading as "recorded"
2006-04-29 11943, 2006
slaad has quit
2006-04-29 11950, 2006
Nyght
exactly.
2006-04-29 11906, 2006
inhouseuk thinks this needs reopening on the style list
2006-04-29 11908, 2006
Nyght
And to the novice. recorded could also mean hitting that red circle on the tape machine. ;)
2006-04-29 11921, 2006
Schika
hehehehe ... so true
2006-04-29 11935, 2006
Nyght
when you see engineered, you think technical/
2006-04-29 11943, 2006
Nyght
I guess that's the easiest way to put it.
2006-04-29 11952, 2006
Nyght
When you see recorded it lacks the depth behind it./
2006-04-29 11955, 2006
inhouseuk
yes, it puts it into context
2006-04-29 11906, 2006
Schika
the same is with "mix" ... it should be titled "mix engineered"
2006-04-29 11934, 2006
inhouseuk
mix isn't quite as confusing
2006-04-29 11946, 2006
MartinRudat
aren't there about four distinct things that get called 'mix'?
2006-04-29 11951, 2006
Nyght
That's why I said, you add in the mixing, and it makes it even more damaging (or, supportive in this instance to inhouseuk's thoughts) to the perchance confusion to the end user
2006-04-29 11922, 2006
Schika
I've corrected a bunch of "DJ-Mixed" AR's which was entered as "mixed by"
2006-04-29 11943, 2006
Nyght
there's mixing as in arrangement, there's mixing as in breaking it apart and making it so the song is well mixed, there's remixing.. Martin., that's all I can think of at the present.
2006-04-29 11953, 2006
inhouseuk needs to quickly run to the shop
2006-04-29 11957, 2006
inhouseuk
won't be long
2006-04-29 11909, 2006
Nyght
kk, I should be here
2006-04-29 11930, 2006
Schika
<- still here
2006-04-29 11931, 2006
Nyght will keep Schika and MartinRudat here too
2006-04-29 11936, 2006
Nyght
;)
2006-04-29 11938, 2006
luks
Schika: most of those incorrect "mixed by" ARs were added before we had "DJ-mixed by'
2006-04-29 11948, 2006
MartinRudat
Nyght: one of the pages on the wiki, ReMixStyle (I think) had a bit of a discussion about 'mixing'...
2006-04-29 11904, 2006
Schika
that could be the cause of this
2006-04-29 11919, 2006
Nyght
You're probably right Martin, I've only recently dealt with the wiki in such depth
2006-04-29 11938, 2006
Nyght realizes she prefers Apocalyptica much more when they aren't doing Metalica
2006-04-29 11904, 2006
mustaqila prefers Apocalyptica much more when they're doing anything
2006-04-29 11959, 2006
Nyght tacks Inquisition Symphony on the to buy list
2006-04-29 11955, 2006
mustaqila goes back to staring at line upon line of text on his many SSH windows :
2006-04-29 11956, 2006
Bad_Seed joined the channel
2006-04-29 11933, 2006
MartinRudat
why're you watching so many windows?
2006-04-29 11904, 2006
mustaqila
I'm getting in touch with my femenine side and multitasking
2006-04-29 11922, 2006
MartinRudat
ah. how many windows you up to? =) I generally have four, I'd have more, but that's as many 80x25 terminals fit on my screen at once...
2006-04-29 11940, 2006
mustaqila
6 at the moment
2006-04-29 11951, 2006
nikki_
I can only get 2 on mine :/
2006-04-29 11957, 2006
nikki_
or 4 if they overlap
2006-04-29 11908, 2006
mustaqila
None of mine overlap, and I can see IRC nicely
2006-04-29 11923, 2006
Nyght
are you squinting yet muz?
2006-04-29 11934, 2006
mustaqila
Yet?! I have been since I woke up and started :P
2006-04-29 11911, 2006
nikki_
I could fit 4 on when I had 1600x1200 though :/
2006-04-29 11921, 2006
mustaqila
screen[1400x1050 32bit 60Hz]
2006-04-29 11923, 2006
nikki_ is a bit annoyed by that
2006-04-29 11937, 2006
mustaqila
Mine are of varying sizes though
2006-04-29 11956, 2006
MartinRudat wants a higher resolution monitor... I can read text that's 5x7 on my monitor, but I can only get (readable) bold with 6x10...
2006-04-29 11923, 2006
Schika
cause we are talking about "mix". An album by System 7 (Hillage & Giraudy) has following credits: "written by", "produced by", "engineered by", "mixed by", "recording engineered by", "mix engineered by", "coproduced by", "remixed by", "executive producer", "remix engineered by" ... and all goes to different people
2006-04-29 11955, 2006
nikki_
I could probably manage 4 on muz's monitor too
2006-04-29 11916, 2006
mustaqila <3 his monitor
2006-04-29 11935, 2006
MartinRudat blinks. that's a lot of different credits... and I've only got a vague idea of which does what...
2006-04-29 11935, 2006
mustaqila
The "frame" has a big hole in the top where it melted from leaving a lamp on accidentally
2006-04-29 11923, 2006
MartinRudat 's broken a few monitors by running them at what the spec-sheet claimed they could do... 1600x1200i is actually surprisingly readable... and I could also convince it to do 2048x800, or something, though it's a little... odd to have a letter-boxed monitor...
2006-04-29 11917, 2006
mustaqila
I think this monitor is 16 or somethign stupidly small, but the resolution on it is fine for me
2006-04-29 11928, 2006
mustaqila
Everyone else always seems to complain that they can't read it :\
2006-04-29 11940, 2006
Nyght
Schika: Great example! Especially if you throw a few of those to a single person. Like, hmm, recorded by and record engineered by. It would wind up recorded recorded now
2006-04-29 11903, 2006
Bad_Seed has quit
2006-04-29 11909, 2006
MartinRudat
...one of the ARs has been renamed to recorded, while there's another one also called recorded, umm...
2006-04-29 11935, 2006
inhouseuk is back
2006-04-29 11937, 2006
Nyght
Kay, question for more experienced moderators with the new VA potential under an artist. If I change a disc (that's not multiple artist) to another artist and say don't move the tracks will it create it as a multiple artist disc under the new artist?
2006-04-29 11951, 2006
inhouseuk
yes
2006-04-29 11919, 2006
inhouseuk
only the album artist will change
2006-04-29 11945, 2006
Nyght
Thanks!
2006-04-29 11916, 2006
ngw joined the channel
2006-04-29 11958, 2006
inhouseuk just stuck a large note on a stupidly parked car that is restricting access to the apartment block
